1 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:21,670 [Music] 2 00:00:28,540 --> 00:00:24,950 you're in the para cast the gold 3 00:00:33,290 --> 00:00:28,550 standard of paranormal radio and now 4 00:00:36,020 --> 00:00:33,300 here's gene Steinberg now as our 5 00:00:38,060 --> 00:00:36,030 listeners to the para cast know on last 6 00:00:40,100 --> 00:00:38,070 week's episode we had a last minute 7 00:00:42,410 --> 00:00:40,110 filling guests who actually was quite a 8 00:00:44,750 --> 00:00:42,420 good guest Robert Schroeder who came up 9 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:44,760 with an intriguing idea not his original 10 00:00:50,930 --> 00:00:46,770 idea but certainly something he had 11 00:00:54,650 --> 00:00:50,940 looked into that may explain how one can 12 00:00:57,170 --> 00:00:54,660 achieve interstellar travel from star to 13 00:00:59,690 --> 00:00:57,180 star and he went to this elaborate thing 14 00:01:02,569 --> 00:00:59,700 where traveling several light-years to 15 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:02,579 Proxima Centauri would involve a trip 16 00:01:08,179 --> 00:01:06,090 that would be physically 25 miles now 17 00:01:10,580 --> 00:01:08,189 strangely enough here which kind of 18 00:01:12,350 --> 00:01:10,590 surprised me and Randall you can give me 19 00:01:14,629 --> 00:01:12,360 your comments briefly before we get to 20 00:01:17,330 --> 00:01:14,639 our guest Rick Doty in a moment here 21 00:01:19,669 --> 00:01:17,340 some listeners felt I was being very 22 00:01:22,219 --> 00:01:19,679 rude to Robert who's such a sweet guy 23 00:01:24,260 --> 00:01:22,229 and what's your impression you think I 24 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:24,270 was unduly rude because maybe I didn't 25 00:01:29,300 --> 00:01:27,090 completely agree with him no I thought 26 00:01:31,249 --> 00:01:29,310 that we were just exploring the topic 27 00:01:34,370 --> 00:01:31,259 and actually I think I received a 28 00:01:35,749 --> 00:01:34,380 follow-up email from Robert you know who 29 00:01:38,269 --> 00:01:35,759 is really quite happy to have been on 30 00:01:40,340 --> 00:01:38,279 the show so I think we did really good 31 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:40,350 there to satisfy kind of both sides the 32 00:01:47,149 --> 00:01:43,170 of the equation I kind of wonder I saw 33 00:01:51,050 --> 00:01:47,159 some posts on YouTube about it and I 34 00:01:54,199 --> 00:01:51,060 this is the first time that a show that 35 00:01:55,879 --> 00:01:54,209 seems so civil seemed to strike some 36 00:01:57,830 --> 00:01:55,889 people as out of the rails in fact a 37 00:02:00,109 --> 00:01:57,840 couple of listeners who are actually one 38 00:02:02,989 --> 00:02:00,119 listener and our forum said the same 39 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:02,999 thing I was interrupting him I was being 40 00:02:08,300 --> 00:02:05,130 rude to him and I've disagreed with 41 00:02:10,460 --> 00:02:08,310 people before in a far more voice their 42 00:02:12,050 --> 00:02:10,470 first manner and never heard such a 43 00:02:15,830 --> 00:02:12,060 thing Chris did you hear the show at all 44 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:15,840 you know I did and then I also remember 45 00:02:21,229 --> 00:02:18,450 his inaugural appearance on the show 46 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:21,239 where I thought that we actually were a 47 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:21,770 little bit 48 00:02:28,900 --> 00:02:26,450 first time he came around and he seemed 49 00:02:31,510 --> 00:02:28,910 quite willing to come on back and do a 50 00:02:34,660 --> 00:02:31,520 second round so I think that indicates 51 00:02:36,790 --> 00:02:34,670 our good intentions and the fact that we 52 00:02:39,700 --> 00:02:36,800 we are professional here at the podcast 53 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:39,710 and I think today's this week's guest 54 00:02:43,780 --> 00:02:42,050 Richard Doty will leave the show with 55 00:02:45,940 --> 00:02:43,790 that same same impression we're gonna 56 00:02:47,820 --> 00:02:45,950 ask our questions but we do so with 57 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:47,830 respect and with the understanding that 58 00:02:52,930 --> 00:02:49,970 we're just trying to get to the bottom 59 00:02:55,330 --> 00:02:52,940 of various issues that are of interest 60 00:02:57,100 --> 00:02:55,340 to the host of the show and of course 61 00:02:59,140 --> 00:02:57,110 our listening public the thing that 62 00:03:01,720 --> 00:02:59,150 mentioned with Robert is that he loved 63 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:01,730 being on the show he liked us so much he 64 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:04,610 came back on after the power cast and we 65 00:03:09,010 --> 00:03:06,530 were joined by Greg Bishop and he 66 00:03:10,270 --> 00:03:09,020 doesn't have a problem mixing it up or 67 00:03:12,370 --> 00:03:10,280 disagreeing with people that's not 68 00:03:15,430 --> 00:03:12,380 something that should indicate hate he 69 00:03:18,220 --> 00:03:15,440 enjoyed it he's really really had a good 70 00:03:20,410 --> 00:03:18,230 time and we did - he's a nice guy I mean 71 00:03:22,210 --> 00:03:20,420 if I had a chance to have a dinner with 72 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:22,220 some people who listen to the show I'd 73 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:24,530 include him why the heck not just 74 00:03:27,699 --> 00:03:26,090 because maybe we have a few 75 00:03:29,740 --> 00:03:27,709 disagreements if you did that you'd 76 00:03:32,500 --> 00:03:29,750 never have dinner with anybody right 77 00:03:34,300 --> 00:03:32,510 also rt6 killer Clark I think was 78 00:03:37,690 --> 00:03:34,310 another example people felt that I was 79 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:37,700 very rude and short with her and after 80 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:39,530 the show she said that she had never had 81 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:41,570 such a good time on a show and that this 82 00:03:46,690 --> 00:03:44,570 was her favorite show to do so you know 83 00:03:50,290 --> 00:03:46,700 it's all in the ear of the beholder I 84 00:03:52,810 --> 00:03:50,300 guess or something Rick Doty I've heard 85 00:03:56,830 --> 00:03:52,820 about you for a long long time since the 86 00:03:59,050 --> 00:03:56,840 1980s but you have a background which I 87 00:04:01,150 --> 00:03:59,060 gather here is strictly in the military 88 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:01,160 it says here you were born in New York 89 00:04:08,650 --> 00:04:04,130 State whereabouts Barton VA RTO and 90 00:04:13,420 --> 00:04:08,660 Barton New York each of Elmira New York 91 00:04:22,830 --> 00:04:13,430 ok my goodness I'm right there as we 92 00:04:26,020 --> 00:04:22,840 speak I mention coincidence 93 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:26,030 very interesting coincidence so entering 94 00:04:30,100 --> 00:04:27,650 the Air Force was this part of the 95 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:30,110 family ties were your parents in the Air 96 00:04:35,469 --> 00:04:34,250 Force my father my father was aha I 97 00:04:37,659 --> 00:04:35,479 thought it was in the Air Force 98 00:04:40,899 --> 00:04:37,669 it says here from your bio that you 99 00:04:46,570 --> 00:04:40,909 specialized a guess and intelligence how 100 00:04:48,850 --> 00:04:46,580 so why okay in 1978 I joined the Air 101 00:04:51,850 --> 00:04:48,860 Force Office of Special Investigations I 102 00:04:55,499 --> 00:04:51,860 went to an intelligence school in 103 00:04:58,649 --> 00:04:55,509 Washington DC I was trained in 104 00:05:01,629 --> 00:04:58,659 counterintelligence counterespionage and 105 00:05:04,689 --> 00:05:01,639 then I was sent to my first assignment 106 00:05:09,339 --> 00:05:04,699 was Kirtland Air Force Base with air 107 00:05:14,739 --> 00:05:09,349 with Air Force OSI district 17 and that 108 00:05:18,730 --> 00:05:14,749 was in 1978 and and while I was assigned 109 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:18,740 to Kirtland an incident happened whereby 110 00:05:26,739 --> 00:05:23,810 a a at Kirtland there was a classified 111 00:05:29,260 --> 00:05:26,749 at that time classified a weapons 112 00:05:33,909 --> 00:05:29,270 storage area called Manzano base it's 113 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:33,919 stored nuclear weapons and some security 114 00:05:41,769 --> 00:05:37,370 personnel guarding that site observed a 115 00:05:45,879 --> 00:05:41,779 strange object hovering around the arch 116 00:05:48,689 --> 00:05:45,889 area and then later on that same night 117 00:05:50,909 --> 00:05:48,699 are actually early the next morning a 118 00:05:54,719 --> 00:05:50,919 security guard for Sandia National 119 00:05:57,850 --> 00:05:54,729 Laboratories which is has a the main 120 00:05:59,070 --> 00:05:57,860 manufacturing facility is on Kirtland 121 00:06:04,529 --> 00:05:59,080 Air Force Base 122 00:06:07,149 --> 00:06:04,539 this security guard observed a flying he 123 00:06:10,899 --> 00:06:07,159 referred to as a flying saucer in the 124 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:10,909 Canyon area which landed and created 125 00:06:18,329 --> 00:06:16,490 some some problems for that area and I 126 00:06:22,869 --> 00:06:18,339 was assigned to investigate that 127 00:06:25,420 --> 00:06:22,879 incident but prior to investigating it I 128 00:06:27,879 --> 00:06:25,430 was I had to be briefed into a special 129 00:06:31,139 --> 00:06:27,889 program and that special program 130 00:06:36,429 --> 00:06:31,149 involved the US government's 131 00:06:40,559 --> 00:06:36,439 investigation and contacts with UFOs 132 00:06:43,239 --> 00:06:40,569 investigating UFOs since the late 40s 133 00:06:45,509 --> 00:06:43,249 and so I was sent to an Air Force 134 00:06:48,459 --> 00:06:45,519 Special Security office on the base and 135 00:06:49,180 --> 00:06:48,469 an officer there a colonel for board 136 00:06:51,460 --> 00:06:49,190 colonel 137 00:06:55,290 --> 00:06:51,470 briefed me into the program and that's 138 00:07:00,970 --> 00:06:55,300 how I became involved in this subject 139 00:07:03,340 --> 00:07:00,980 which kernel was that I I don't know 140 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:03,350 that I want to mention his name he's 141 00:07:10,660 --> 00:07:05,210 still alive and he's still he's still 142 00:07:13,450 --> 00:07:10,670 around but he was part of the the Air 143 00:07:16,810 --> 00:07:13,460 Force special security office with 144 00:07:20,470 --> 00:07:16,820 grants security clearances for special 145 00:07:22,630 --> 00:07:20,480 gate category accents now speaking of 146 00:07:25,990 --> 00:07:22,640 Colonels one of our regular listeners 147 00:07:28,780 --> 00:07:26,000 curtis collins sent me a note asking if 148 00:07:34,230 --> 00:07:28,790 you were acquainted at all with a 149 00:07:44,340 --> 00:07:34,240 Colonel Weaver and a Colonel Hennessey 150 00:07:49,620 --> 00:07:44,350 yes okay Colonel Weaver who was also 151 00:07:52,980 --> 00:07:49,630 assigned to this special program and 152 00:08:00,360 --> 00:07:52,990 Colonel Hennessey was the overall 153 00:08:03,100 --> 00:08:00,370 commander of a special projects a 154 00:08:07,780 --> 00:08:03,110 special project branch of the Air Force 155 00:08:11,380 --> 00:08:07,790 OSI now the question I would have here 156 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:11,390 is prior to getting hooked into this 157 00:08:18,580 --> 00:08:13,490 thing because of that sighting had you 158 00:08:21,010 --> 00:08:18,590 at all paid any attention to UFOs no no 159 00:08:22,510 --> 00:08:21,020 I had nothing to do never never had any 160 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:22,520 interest in him 161 00:08:29,350 --> 00:08:25,970 hi I had a brother who was two years 162 00:08:32,890 --> 00:08:29,360 older than me he was the UFO buff in the 163 00:08:36,300 --> 00:08:32,900 family he would read all the UFO true 164 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:36,310 magazines and led I think the first 165 00:08:42,209 --> 00:08:39,050 first or second book that George Adamski 166 00:08:45,550 --> 00:08:42,219 written but I was never interested in it 167 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:45,560 having been exposed to this was it a 168 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:48,290 matter of doing the work or did you find 169 00:08:54,310 --> 00:08:51,490 yourself being shall we say sucked in oh 170 00:08:56,770 --> 00:08:54,320 no I wasn't something that was my job 171 00:08:58,480 --> 00:08:56,780 I was my duties as I was a special agent 172 00:09:01,690 --> 00:08:58,490 with Air Force Office of Special 173 00:09:02,489 --> 00:09:01,700 Investigations and I had duties to 174 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:02,499 perform and 175 00:09:07,859 --> 00:09:04,689 this was one of the duties I had to 176 00:09:11,009 --> 00:09:07,869 perform I was I was given this case by 177 00:09:16,279 --> 00:09:11,019 my supervisor and at that time my 178 00:09:19,069 --> 00:09:16,289 supervisor was John Brisby he was my 179 00:09:24,329 --> 00:09:19,079 supervisor kirtland he gave me the 180 00:09:26,819 --> 00:09:24,339 assignment and I investigated it and and 181 00:09:29,219 --> 00:09:26,829 carried out my duties we've got a lot 182 00:09:31,829 --> 00:09:29,229 more to come with Rick Doty starting 183 00:09:34,769 --> 00:09:31,839 with his early years working as an air 184 00:09:36,599 --> 00:09:34,779 force officer and becoming acquainted 185 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00:14:59,840 --> 00:14:57,460 question no gene for for our guest first 312 00:15:02,120 --> 00:14:59,850 of all Rick you have quite a reputation 313 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:02,130 over the years there's been a lot of 314 00:15:07,020 --> 00:15:04,690 people that have been talking about you 315 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:07,030 and you've been a particularly hard 316 00:15:12,030 --> 00:15:09,970 person to pin down by shows like the 317 00:15:13,980 --> 00:15:12,040 pair of cast how many radio shows have 318 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:13,990 you actually done where you've talked 319 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:17,050 about your your past with the air force 320 00:15:24,990 --> 00:15:19,690 I and some of the projects involved with 321 00:15:29,070 --> 00:15:25,000 I didn't art Belle show once mm-hmm that 322 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:29,080 was in Italy and I need and I did coats 323 00:15:35,010 --> 00:15:31,450 coats with George Noory once and I've 324 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:35,020 done maybe one or two others today why 325 00:15:41,010 --> 00:15:37,930 have you agreed to come on our show I 326 00:15:42,510 --> 00:15:41,020 know we're persistent and we've we made 327 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:42,520 quite a number of requests over the 328 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:44,410 years to try to get you on the show but 329 00:15:46,410 --> 00:15:45,730 why did you agree to come on the show to 330 00:15:49,290 --> 00:15:46,420 begin with 331 00:15:52,220 --> 00:15:49,300 well I like to set the story straight so 332 00:15:55,260 --> 00:15:52,230 to speak I've been criticized and 333 00:15:57,750 --> 00:15:55,270 sometimes humiliated online about what I 334 00:16:01,200 --> 00:15:57,760 did or what I didn't do what I could 335 00:16:05,540 --> 00:16:01,210 have done over the years and during my 336 00:16:09,150 --> 00:16:05,550 career I was labeled as a disinformation 337 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:09,160 officer for the Air Force and none of 338 00:16:14,650 --> 00:16:13,130 that's true I did my job my job was 339 00:16:18,100 --> 00:16:14,660 investigate counterintelligence 340 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:18,110 counterespionage operations or incidents 341 00:16:24,340 --> 00:16:20,450 and and that's exactly what I did I did 342 00:16:26,110 --> 00:16:24,350 it and I I was rewarded for it I got 343 00:16:29,530 --> 00:16:26,120 rewards for it within the intelligence 344 00:16:32,620 --> 00:16:29,540 community and I was allowed to leave and 345 00:16:36,070 --> 00:16:32,630 and carry down another career after that 346 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:36,080 so I I just want the story straight let 347 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:37,850 me ask you a quick question before Chris 348 00:16:43,630 --> 00:16:41,330 follows up looking at UFOs now over the 349 00:16:46,030 --> 00:16:43,640 years we've gotten the impression here 350 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:46,040 or at least its claimed that the Air 351 00:16:50,230 --> 00:16:48,170 Force that the military hasn't taken 352 00:16:53,590 --> 00:16:50,240 UFOs all that seriously except perhaps 353 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:53,600 for Project Blue Book and even this most 354 00:16:57,670 --> 00:16:55,730 recent project we heard about the 355 00:17:00,250 --> 00:16:57,680 Pentagon UFO studies so-called 356 00:17:03,610 --> 00:17:00,260 they gave up on it when they could so 357 00:17:05,530 --> 00:17:03,620 watching what was going on in the work 358 00:17:07,569 --> 00:17:05,540 you were doing didn't you get the 359 00:17:10,059 --> 00:17:07,579 impression that the people that you were 360 00:17:12,910 --> 00:17:10,069 working with really really were 361 00:17:15,309 --> 00:17:12,920 seriously interested in this well I knew 362 00:17:18,540 --> 00:17:15,319 they were I was briefed into a program I 363 00:17:21,370 --> 00:17:18,550 was I was showed highly classified 364 00:17:24,189 --> 00:17:21,380 information about the Roswell incident 365 00:17:26,980 --> 00:17:24,199 about some other incidents I had access 366 00:17:29,110 --> 00:17:26,990 to other investigations and other 367 00:17:32,410 --> 00:17:29,120 incidents that have happened around the 368 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:32,420 United States and some overseas the Air 369 00:17:40,540 --> 00:17:36,170 Force had an active program to 370 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:40,550 investigate any beautiful incidents that 371 00:17:46,630 --> 00:17:44,210 happened on an Air Force Base near an 372 00:17:50,530 --> 00:17:46,640 Air Force Base or involving Air Force 373 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:50,540 Resources and that means airplanes or 374 00:17:54,610 --> 00:17:52,610 any other type of resources they had 375 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:54,620 that and they still have it today I know 376 00:18:00,030 --> 00:17:56,210 they do because I have friends that are 377 00:18:05,260 --> 00:18:03,190 exactly I mean anybody with any common 378 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:05,270 sense stop and think about it there's 379 00:18:10,690 --> 00:18:07,250 things that happen out there and and I 380 00:18:13,270 --> 00:18:10,700 agree that Project Blue Book most of 381 00:18:15,250 --> 00:18:13,280 those cases and Project Blue Book could 382 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:15,260 be readily answered by something else I 383 00:18:21,130 --> 00:18:18,050 mean by AB natural known phenomena but 384 00:18:24,070 --> 00:18:21,140 there were approximately 1900 of them 385 00:18:26,590 --> 00:18:24,080 that involved extraterrestrial crafts I 386 00:18:27,070 --> 00:18:26,600 read the report was classified it's one 387 00:18:34,470 --> 00:18:27,080 of the 388 00:18:36,820 --> 00:18:34,480 investigation but it has never been 389 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:36,830 declassified so it's still there but but 390 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:40,570 they they can categorically say yes 391 00:18:46,749 --> 00:18:45,369 these 1,900 and whatever they were were 392 00:18:50,289 --> 00:18:46,759 extraterrestrial craft 393 00:18:53,590 --> 00:18:50,299 well the in light of that and one of 394 00:18:56,710 --> 00:18:53,600 your first investigations being a landed 395 00:18:58,060 --> 00:18:56,720 unidentified craft at one of near one of 396 00:19:00,279 --> 00:18:58,070 the largest underground storage 397 00:19:03,159 --> 00:19:00,289 facilities of nuclear materials in the 398 00:19:04,810 --> 00:19:03,169 world on a classified you know area of 399 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:04,820 an air force base I would think that 400 00:19:11,169 --> 00:19:08,690 that would be a bit of a priority for 401 00:19:13,389 --> 00:19:11,179 the Air Force to want to investigate you 402 00:19:17,349 --> 00:19:13,399 mentioned that you've seen classified 403 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:17,359 information at the time relating to this 404 00:19:22,450 --> 00:19:19,129 phenomenon how much can you talk about 405 00:19:24,489 --> 00:19:22,460 Roswell how much can you talk about some 406 00:19:27,899 --> 00:19:24,499 of the more celebrated cases that say 407 00:19:30,159 --> 00:19:27,909 mounts from 78 I'm sure when you were 408 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:30,169 there at Kirtland you were hearing about 409 00:19:34,749 --> 00:19:32,570 UFOs showing up around some of the 410 00:19:36,940 --> 00:19:34,759 missile silos outside of in cascade 411 00:19:39,310 --> 00:19:36,950 County up in Montana for instance around 412 00:19:41,409 --> 00:19:39,320 and around now some Air Force Base I 413 00:19:45,039 --> 00:19:41,419 mean how much can you discuss about 414 00:19:47,710 --> 00:19:45,049 these particular incidences in case Case 415 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:47,720 Files that were opened up as a result of 416 00:19:52,869 --> 00:19:50,570 these these incursions into aerospace 417 00:19:54,940 --> 00:19:52,879 restricted airspace how much can we talk 418 00:19:55,869 --> 00:19:54,950 about that with you you can ask me any 419 00:20:00,190 --> 00:19:55,879 question you want 420 00:20:03,220 --> 00:20:00,200 I can 90% of it I would I would discuss 421 00:20:05,499 --> 00:20:03,230 there's probably some that I personally 422 00:20:08,229 --> 00:20:05,509 consider that maybe if you sensitive to 423 00:20:10,180 --> 00:20:08,239 discuss but the Air Force is blown 424 00:20:13,899 --> 00:20:10,190 inside of proportion over these years 425 00:20:15,609 --> 00:20:13,909 when when I filed lawsuit 426 00:20:17,769 --> 00:20:15,619 some years ago against somebody the Air 427 00:20:19,810 --> 00:20:17,779 Force initially wanted to back me and 428 00:20:22,659 --> 00:20:19,820 then they turn their back on me so I 429 00:20:24,039 --> 00:20:22,669 decided you know what I'm gonna tell it 430 00:20:25,749 --> 00:20:24,049 like it is and if they want to come 431 00:20:28,330 --> 00:20:25,759 after me let them come after me and I've 432 00:20:30,970 --> 00:20:28,340 been talking about it for probably the 433 00:20:33,099 --> 00:20:30,980 last ten or twelve years and I got out 434 00:20:35,649 --> 00:20:33,109 of what left the Air Force and I left 435 00:20:37,749 --> 00:20:35,659 the service of the OSI in 1988 and 436 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:37,759 although they called me back to active 437 00:20:42,570 --> 00:20:40,850 duty in 1993 but it didn't happen 438 00:20:45,370 --> 00:20:42,580 those folks had something to do 439 00:20:49,780 --> 00:20:45,380 something else I had worked on but I 440 00:20:52,990 --> 00:20:49,790 talked to a general Richard ba who was 441 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:53,000 the general in charge of our side okay 442 00:20:58,810 --> 00:20:56,330 and and so all this stuff will 443 00:21:00,610 --> 00:20:58,820 eventually come out and so I decided 444 00:21:03,790 --> 00:21:00,620 what the hell I'm gonna I'm gonna go 445 00:21:07,330 --> 00:21:03,800 ahead and talk about it absolutely 446 00:21:08,650 --> 00:21:07,340 that's absolutely terrific okay the 447 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:08,660 grass woman tonight and I've talked 448 00:21:13,690 --> 00:21:10,730 about this before on air the Roswell 449 00:21:19,450 --> 00:21:13,700 incident that I was briefed on the rods 450 00:21:21,940 --> 00:21:19,460 once I saw actual film that was created 451 00:21:23,470 --> 00:21:21,950 by the Air Force the the Roswell 452 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:23,480 incident there's very few people 453 00:21:30,060 --> 00:21:25,850 actually got it right but the Roswell 454 00:21:31,810 --> 00:21:30,070 incident there was to the way it was 455 00:21:34,180 --> 00:21:31,820 investigated by the Air Force what it 456 00:21:35,590 --> 00:21:34,190 was determined it wasn't just the Air 457 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:35,600 Force involved in this Los Alamos 458 00:21:41,020 --> 00:21:37,490 National Laboratories and and other 459 00:21:43,450 --> 00:21:41,030 agencies by 1947 two extraterrestrial 460 00:21:46,350 --> 00:21:43,460 crafts flying around in Mexico there was 461 00:21:49,990 --> 00:21:46,360 a huge electrical storm 462 00:21:54,130 --> 00:21:50,000 somehow the two crafts crashed it glided 463 00:21:57,940 --> 00:21:54,140 in air one landed south east of Cronin 464 00:22:01,240 --> 00:21:57,950 New Mexico thus being the Roswell crash 465 00:22:04,060 --> 00:22:01,250 site and one landed over near Magdalena 466 00:22:05,050 --> 00:22:04,070 West the Magdalena in Horsham Asia well 467 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:05,060 it looks like here we're going to 468 00:22:10,570 --> 00:22:07,250 certainly hear a very very different 469 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:10,580 slant on the Roswell case or are going 470 00:22:15,670 --> 00:22:13,610 to be interested in what Rick has to say 471 00:22:18,850 --> 00:22:15,680 so let's do the break now but let me 472 00:22:21,370 --> 00:22:18,860 remind you first we have the power cast 473 00:22:23,710 --> 00:22:21,380 plus waiting for you to join it we offer 474 00:22:25,900 --> 00:22:23,720 a version of this show that's free of 475 00:22:28,810 --> 00:22:25,910 the network ads we offer the after the 476 00:22:31,210 --> 00:22:28,820 para cast podcast enough goodies let's 477 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:31,220 check it out go to plus dot the power 478 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:34,010 cast 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Cameron from presidential 590 00:27:13,450 --> 00:27:10,549 UFO calm you're listening to the para 591 00:27:21,159 --> 00:27:13,460 cast the gold standard of paranormal 592 00:27:23,049 --> 00:27:21,169 radio by the way if you hear Chris's 593 00:27:24,789 --> 00:27:23,059 keyboard going full-steam has got the 594 00:27:28,780 --> 00:27:24,799 noisiest keyboard on the planet I gave 595 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:28,790 him some reason my setting went to the 596 00:27:32,980 --> 00:27:31,250 internal mic on the computer I'm sorry 597 00:27:35,020 --> 00:27:32,990 about that I've gone ahead and made the 598 00:27:38,110 --> 00:27:35,030 change already let's continue Rick Doty 599 00:27:40,810 --> 00:27:38,120 telling us about the Roswell crash which 600 00:27:44,110 --> 00:27:40,820 turns out to be two crashes so we're 601 00:27:46,810 --> 00:27:44,120 both recovered then right Rick yes one 602 00:27:51,490 --> 00:27:46,820 crash site involved two locations one 603 00:27:53,230 --> 00:27:51,500 the actual the craft was located some 604 00:27:55,390 --> 00:27:53,240 distance from that crash which was a 605 00:27:59,260 --> 00:27:55,400 debris field larger debris field and 606 00:28:01,930 --> 00:27:59,270 that debris field was found initially by 607 00:28:04,360 --> 00:28:01,940 the rancher and later on the military 608 00:28:07,030 --> 00:28:04,370 found the actual class was one alien 609 00:28:09,549 --> 00:28:07,040 still alive they've recovered it they 610 00:28:12,100 --> 00:28:09,559 sent it to Los Alamos I don't know the 611 00:28:13,900 --> 00:28:12,110 full story about the exit iki that they 612 00:28:15,460 --> 00:28:13,910 found like there wasn't a whole lot in 613 00:28:17,950 --> 00:28:15,470 the briefing about that other than he 614 00:28:21,730 --> 00:28:17,960 died in nineteen it was a male it died 615 00:28:25,030 --> 00:28:21,740 in 1952 the second crash site in horse 616 00:28:28,090 --> 00:28:25,040 Mesa very remote area was found in 1949 617 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:28,100 by some ranchers now the craft was there 618 00:28:33,460 --> 00:28:32,290 pretty much intact and all the the six 619 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:33,470 extraterrestrials 620 00:28:39,460 --> 00:28:36,530 the creatures law thrown from the craft 621 00:28:41,169 --> 00:28:39,470 that they were all highly decayed and 622 00:28:43,860 --> 00:28:41,179 their bodies were there wasn't much left 623 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:43,870 of their bodies but that site was 624 00:28:48,610 --> 00:28:46,250 examined by their force all the debris 625 00:28:51,220 --> 00:28:48,620 and everything was sent to Los Alamos 626 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:51,230 and later on to wright-patterson Air 627 00:28:58,330 --> 00:28:55,250 Force Base wright-patterson Air Force 628 00:29:01,360 --> 00:28:58,340 Base in Ohio no when was the crash site 629 00:29:04,539 --> 00:29:01,370 it was in Horse Mesa if you're looking 630 00:29:07,270 --> 00:29:04,549 am at a new mexico map and you find 631 00:29:08,650 --> 00:29:07,280 magdalena and you go Southwest to make 632 00:29:11,649 --> 00:29:08,660 Deline and you'll find a place called 633 00:29:14,049 --> 00:29:11,659 horse Mesa and just above that is where 634 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:14,059 the site where the crash site was okay 635 00:29:17,270 --> 00:29:14,730 bye 636 00:29:20,750 --> 00:29:17,280 by a couple ranchers and believe they 637 00:29:22,850 --> 00:29:20,760 were relocating cattle okay so when you 638 00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:22,860 say you were briefed about this are you 639 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:24,000 talking about you're just looking at 640 00:29:28,730 --> 00:29:26,250 some documentation or did they present 641 00:29:31,820 --> 00:29:28,740 you with a film or a slideshow did you 642 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:31,830 see pictures what sort of evidence did 643 00:29:37,670 --> 00:29:35,730 you get the only one in the room there 644 00:29:40,340 --> 00:29:37,680 was a number of other people in the room 645 00:29:43,460 --> 00:29:40,350 that leave at time I was read through at 646 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:43,470 least 1012 and maybe maybe am one or two 647 00:29:49,820 --> 00:29:47,010 more no they have an actual briefing 648 00:29:52,430 --> 00:29:49,830 film it's a film that was probably 649 00:29:55,070 --> 00:29:52,440 created I don't know five or six years 650 00:29:57,710 --> 00:29:55,080 prior to me seeing in 1978 and then had 651 00:30:00,350 --> 00:29:57,720 been updated but the film the briefing 652 00:30:03,710 --> 00:30:00,360 film contained old footage of the 653 00:30:09,710 --> 00:30:03,720 recovery operation in New Mexico and him 654 00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:09,720 in both locations in New Mexico and so 655 00:30:15,230 --> 00:30:12,000 and it was and then the kernel that was 656 00:30:18,110 --> 00:30:15,240 given this briefing would he would 657 00:30:20,270 --> 00:30:18,120 reiterate on certain aspects of what the 658 00:30:23,060 --> 00:30:20,280 United States government was doing or 659 00:30:27,890 --> 00:30:23,070 had done since then the the the briefing 660 00:30:30,650 --> 00:30:27,900 film only contained the how the United 661 00:30:33,140 --> 00:30:30,660 States became involved in this subject 662 00:30:35,300 --> 00:30:33,150 and that was exploded in 1948 there was 663 00:30:39,170 --> 00:30:35,310 never any mention about anything prior 664 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:39,180 to 1947 the roselyn's it was never 665 00:30:44,690 --> 00:30:41,610 anything ever mentioned in this briefing 666 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:44,700 film so you saw films of the actual 667 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:47,970 craft or and the recovery is that what 668 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:50,130 you're saying can you confirm that yes 669 00:30:55,970 --> 00:30:54,450 yes it was the old the old film I mean 670 00:30:59,810 --> 00:30:55,980 it was old footage of the actual 671 00:31:01,730 --> 00:30:59,820 recovery operation in Roswell or in both 672 00:31:05,180 --> 00:31:01,740 locations in New Mexico showing the 673 00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:05,190 class showing the alien bodies there was 674 00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:08,640 one small segment probably 10 or 15 that 675 00:31:14,510 --> 00:31:12,000 showed the live live creature but they 676 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:14,520 just briefly mentioned it that the 677 00:31:20,300 --> 00:31:16,770 creature was transported to a facility 678 00:31:22,630 --> 00:31:20,310 and and it is mentioned a whole lotta 679 00:31:27,140 --> 00:31:22,640 about that after during that film but 680 00:31:28,460 --> 00:31:27,150 the the briefing film was like I said 681 00:31:29,890 --> 00:31:28,470 was a narrative 682 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:29,900 of everything the United States had done 683 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:35,250 from 47 on and and mentioned several 684 00:31:46,330 --> 00:31:39,890 different crash sites that Roswell and 685 00:31:47,570 --> 00:31:46,340 wanting a stat New Mexico one and one in 686 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:47,580 Nevada 687 00:31:52,130 --> 00:31:50,010 alright you mentioned Aztec is this the 688 00:31:56,510 --> 00:31:52,140 one in nineteen forty eight that's so 689 00:32:03,700 --> 00:31:56,520 controversial well actually it wasn't 690 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:03,710 forty-eight and believe it was 51 I 691 00:32:08,300 --> 00:32:06,330 don't recall the exact date of that but 692 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:08,310 it was after it was at least a couple 693 00:32:14,030 --> 00:32:10,770 years after it okay so this is not the 694 00:32:16,010 --> 00:32:14,040 one that Frank Scully wrote about in 695 00:32:17,660 --> 00:32:16,020 this very controversial book and that 696 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:17,670 has been a subject of controversy this 697 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:20,850 is a totally different episode in Aztec 698 00:32:24,590 --> 00:32:22,650 I take it then from what you're telling 699 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:24,600 me we can get into more of the logistics 700 00:32:30,860 --> 00:32:29,010 and such that these captured space ships 701 00:32:33,550 --> 00:32:30,870 are still being held somewhere right 702 00:32:37,340 --> 00:32:33,560 Patterson or somewhere else 703 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:37,350 no they're out in Nevada out at the Air 704 00:32:44,900 --> 00:32:41,730 Force test & Evaluation site which is 705 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:44,910 everybody calls area 51 at least the 706 00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:47,610 last time I knew they were III can't I 707 00:32:53,270 --> 00:32:50,640 can't speak for not a light today but 708 00:32:56,750 --> 00:32:53,280 the last time I knew they were out there 709 00:33:03,170 --> 00:32:56,760 or any truth to lazarre's claims and you 710 00:33:05,570 --> 00:33:03,180 think yeah actually another part of what 711 00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:05,580 I did was I actually worked out in area 712 00:33:15,890 --> 00:33:13,440 51 from from night in 1984 1983 1984 I 713 00:33:19,490 --> 00:33:15,900 went temporary duty out there to conduct 714 00:33:22,670 --> 00:33:19,500 some investigations and so I I had 715 00:33:25,970 --> 00:33:22,680 access to that location now I don't know 716 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:25,980 I mean I never saw those are and I read 717 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:35,370 what he said and he describes s2 pretty 718 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:37,890 pretty clearly I mean what what he 719 00:33:42,269 --> 00:33:40,890 either somebody told him all this where 720 00:33:45,570 --> 00:33:42,279 he was actually there because 721 00:33:48,330 --> 00:33:45,580 he describes the location at very 722 00:33:51,629 --> 00:33:48,340 accurate okay so when you were out there 723 00:33:53,099 --> 00:33:51,639 then that might be on the operation that 724 00:33:55,049 --> 00:33:53,109 you alluded to in another interview 725 00:33:59,369 --> 00:33:55,059 where you were talking about Janet 726 00:34:01,080 --> 00:33:59,379 Airlines and you were dealing with you 727 00:34:02,669 --> 00:34:01,090 know you alluded to an airline company 728 00:34:08,490 --> 00:34:02,679 that was shuttling people back and forth 729 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:08,500 out there as a that's yes yeah okay cool 730 00:34:14,990 --> 00:34:11,770 yes yeah I was there for I was there I 731 00:34:17,339 --> 00:34:15,000 don't know how many times I spent 732 00:34:19,619 --> 00:34:17,349 probably four months that was the first 733 00:34:22,169 --> 00:34:19,629 time and then I don't know how many 734 00:34:24,809 --> 00:34:22,179 other times but over a period of about 735 00:34:26,849 --> 00:34:24,819 18 months I think I probably was there 736 00:34:28,919 --> 00:34:26,859 six or seven times so I and I was 737 00:34:33,240 --> 00:34:28,929 briefed into the brief day and I had the 738 00:34:36,619 --> 00:34:33,250 access for most of the locations on in 739 00:34:39,089 --> 00:34:36,629 that area not everything everybody 740 00:34:40,710 --> 00:34:39,099 doesn't get access to everything so 741 00:34:42,569 --> 00:34:40,720 there was probably a lot of things that 742 00:34:44,879 --> 00:34:42,579 was going on there that I didn't see I 743 00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:44,889 didn't have access to in connection with 744 00:34:48,899 --> 00:34:47,169 your work what exactly were you doing 745 00:34:53,010 --> 00:34:48,909 and why do you think you were brought 746 00:34:55,409 --> 00:34:53,020 into this program well I wasn't brought 747 00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:55,419 into the program to investigate the 748 00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:00,880 incidents of UFO sightings or incidents 749 00:35:05,579 --> 00:35:03,730 involving extraterrestrial contacts on 750 00:35:07,799 --> 00:35:05,589 or near Air Force installation and 751 00:35:10,289 --> 00:35:07,809 longing Air Force property or personnel 752 00:35:14,390 --> 00:35:10,299 I mean I was I wasn't the only one there 753 00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:14,400 was a hundred and twenty two other 121 754 00:35:20,309 --> 00:35:17,250 but there 122 of us 755 00:35:21,660 --> 00:35:20,319 OSI agents that were briefed into the 756 00:35:24,180 --> 00:35:21,670 program that were conducting 757 00:35:26,579 --> 00:35:24,190 investigations worldwide during the 758 00:35:28,980 --> 00:35:26,589 seventies and eighties this is quite 759 00:35:31,019 --> 00:35:28,990 extraordinary because we know that the 760 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:31,029 overflow from Blue Book went to the OSI 761 00:35:38,670 --> 00:35:35,650 but up until now it's in anything we've 762 00:35:40,650 --> 00:35:38,680 heard about it is it was just kind of an 763 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:40,660 underfunded office where they'd really 764 00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:42,490 didn't want the responsibility and 765 00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:46,089 pretty much just filed things away never 766 00:35:51,180 --> 00:35:48,160 to be seen again but you're saying that 767 00:35:54,900 --> 00:35:51,190 they had a dedicated program here as 768 00:35:56,330 --> 00:35:54,910 part of special projects OSI with over a 769 00:36:04,010 --> 00:35:56,340 hundred people involved I mean 770 00:36:07,460 --> 00:36:04,020 that Dwarfs Bluebook let me say let me 771 00:36:09,530 --> 00:36:07,470 clarify something 122 OSI agents that 772 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:09,540 doesn't count the support people that 773 00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:11,930 were involved the secretaries or the 774 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:16,320 analysts or the some linguists involved 775 00:36:21,290 --> 00:36:18,690 and I don't know the total number but 776 00:36:24,500 --> 00:36:21,300 I'd say probably with all these support 777 00:36:26,330 --> 00:36:24,510 personnel it would be at least 200 so 778 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:26,340 when you go to citing then well I mean 779 00:36:31,100 --> 00:36:28,650 would they give you access to a jet and 780 00:36:32,690 --> 00:36:31,110 you'd fly out to you know a location to 781 00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:32,700 investigate or how did it actually go 782 00:36:36,650 --> 00:36:34,320 down let's do our break and we'll 783 00:36:41,290 --> 00:36:36,660 continue with that with Randall gene and 784 00:36:41,300 --> 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00:41:32,090 --> 00:41:28,590 here about his work for the air force 896 00:41:34,340 --> 00:41:32,100 and his exposure to evidence about 897 00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:34,350 Roswell you want to continue with that 898 00:41:40,070 --> 00:41:37,680 question Randall yeah sure so before the 899 00:41:43,010 --> 00:41:40,080 break I was asking okay so you guys get 900 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:43,020 the reports in from a various base then 901 00:41:47,060 --> 00:41:45,090 then what would happen would you would 902 00:41:48,620 --> 00:41:47,070 they assign you a pilot in an airplane 903 00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:48,630 and you'd head out to the base and 904 00:41:53,210 --> 00:41:50,730 interview people or how exactly what was 905 00:41:55,940 --> 00:41:53,220 your procedure there well it depends in 906 00:41:58,900 --> 00:41:55,950 who we had areas to cover mine was the 907 00:42:03,950 --> 00:41:58,910 south southwest I covered New Mexico 908 00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:03,960 Nevada and Arizona southwestern portion 909 00:42:09,170 --> 00:42:07,650 of Colorado I went to Utah on a special 910 00:42:12,620 --> 00:42:09,180 assignment involving something to that 911 00:42:14,300 --> 00:42:12,630 effect but if something occurred we 912 00:42:17,660 --> 00:42:14,310 myself and another agent there will be 913 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:17,670 always two agents maybe even more we 914 00:42:21,470 --> 00:42:19,890 would get a flight probably most of the 915 00:42:24,350 --> 00:42:21,480 time include just commercial I mean 916 00:42:26,030 --> 00:42:24,360 wasn't it an emergency it was we get a 917 00:42:30,590 --> 00:42:26,040 commercial flight and replied to that 918 00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:30,600 location and Rena Cochrane and did you 919 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:32,880 present yourselves pretty casually or 920 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:36,090 were you sort of more the MIB types to 921 00:42:47,900 --> 00:42:38,970 do show up in black suits and white 922 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:47,910 shirts special agents we weren't 923 00:42:53,930 --> 00:42:50,970 military we were severe so we didn't 924 00:42:57,350 --> 00:42:53,940 wear uniforms we were surveying clothes 925 00:42:59,720 --> 00:42:57,360 and we would just wear casual semion 926 00:43:00,650 --> 00:42:59,730 clothes or a suit and I never I mean 927 00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:00,660 I've ever been asked this question 928 00:43:05,450 --> 00:43:02,730 thousand times I had never wanted a 929 00:43:09,050 --> 00:43:05,460 black suit so I didn't I didn't hear a 930 00:43:14,690 --> 00:43:09,060 black suit I would never okay so you 931 00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:14,700 were the three men in khaki right no 932 00:43:17,100 --> 00:43:16,560 fedoras no wraparound black sunglasses 933 00:43:20,430 --> 00:43:17,110 none 934 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:20,440 skinny black ties late-model fifties 935 00:43:29,540 --> 00:43:22,810 Cadillacs that sort of thing no no 936 00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:31,500 speaking of which one ask you about that 937 00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:33,040 since you're involved in intelligence 938 00:43:38,820 --> 00:43:35,440 work when you were the Air Force did you 939 00:43:43,020 --> 00:43:38,830 encounter to be blunt other spooks from 940 00:43:46,410 --> 00:43:43,030 other agencies yes yes I did actually we 941 00:43:49,380 --> 00:43:46,420 had a confrontation once between the OSI 942 00:43:53,420 --> 00:43:49,390 and the NSA and that was involving the 943 00:43:56,220 --> 00:43:53,430 been away we're gonna get into that but 944 00:43:58,860 --> 00:43:56,230 Rick I must say this is fascinating but 945 00:44:01,410 --> 00:43:58,870 these are revelations if true that I 946 00:44:02,970 --> 00:44:01,420 think very few people are aware of the 947 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:02,980 extent and the width and breadth of 948 00:44:09,060 --> 00:44:05,530 interest by the official interest by the 949 00:44:12,450 --> 00:44:09,070 Air Force into these types of claims by 950 00:44:15,570 --> 00:44:12,460 witnesses and you know seen actual film 951 00:44:17,550 --> 00:44:15,580 of crashes film with bodies these are 952 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:17,560 highly sensational claims that you're 953 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:21,930 making here our listeners without limits 954 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:26,530 he's wondering based on all nor you know 955 00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:30,930 10 years of active duty and your your 956 00:44:35,310 --> 00:44:33,370 investigations and I want you to tell me 957 00:44:38,190 --> 00:44:35,320 how many approximately you actually went 958 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:38,200 out on in 10 years but where'd you come 959 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:39,970 down the reality of UFOs it sounds like 960 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:42,490 this is a slam-dunk yes we are being 961 00:44:48,270 --> 00:44:45,970 visited by beings from somewhere else 962 00:44:51,540 --> 00:44:48,280 and there's no question about their 963 00:44:53,850 --> 00:44:51,550 reality is this so and and if so do you 964 00:44:56,310 --> 00:44:53,860 have any indication of knowledge of 965 00:44:56,850 --> 00:44:56,320 where these crafts and beings are coming 966 00:45:00,450 --> 00:44:56,860 from 967 00:45:03,330 --> 00:45:00,460 oh I'm thoroughly convinced we've been 968 00:45:05,100 --> 00:45:03,340 we've been visited at least from I mean 969 00:45:08,550 --> 00:45:05,110 the Air Force acknowledges that we've 970 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:08,560 been visited at least from 1947 on I I 971 00:45:13,110 --> 00:45:10,330 can't speak for anything they occurred 972 00:45:14,970 --> 00:45:13,120 after before that because I I was never 973 00:45:17,220 --> 00:45:14,980 briefed into that I've heard it rumors 974 00:45:18,510 --> 00:45:17,230 but I'm I don't mean I don't talk about 975 00:45:21,810 --> 00:45:18,520 rumors I want to talk about what I know 976 00:45:25,740 --> 00:45:21,820 why I know is fact and what I saw or 977 00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:25,750 what I developed myself and so yes we 978 00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:28,210 have been and you know I've said this 979 00:45:32,410 --> 00:45:30,090 before in other 980 00:45:35,150 --> 00:45:32,420 that said it we've been visited by 981 00:45:38,930 --> 00:45:35,160 probably more than one extraterrestrial 982 00:45:42,260 --> 00:45:38,940 race I think one of the third 983 00:45:44,210 --> 00:45:42,270 researchers that has done there done her 984 00:45:46,130 --> 00:45:44,220 job so to speak was Linda Moulton Howe 985 00:45:48,740 --> 00:45:46,140 that's something I'm sure you're going 986 00:45:52,790 --> 00:45:48,750 to ask me about the incident involving 987 00:45:55,580 --> 00:45:52,800 Linda and and what what we did to 988 00:45:58,370 --> 00:45:55,590 investigate her and what she had done 989 00:46:01,250 --> 00:45:58,380 and what she was trying to do but she 990 00:46:04,190 --> 00:46:01,260 had during the time that I knew they had 991 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:04,200 contact with Linda Moulton Howe she had 992 00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:06,810 so many sources within the intelligence 993 00:46:13,220 --> 00:46:09,090 community that we the government was 994 00:46:15,350 --> 00:46:13,230 scared and that she was actually getting 995 00:46:19,370 --> 00:46:15,360 people within the intelligence community 996 00:46:23,900 --> 00:46:19,380 the CIA dia and I say OSI to tell her 997 00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:23,910 things that they she should know as far 998 00:46:31,310 --> 00:46:27,570 as visiting I think I think if you took 999 00:46:33,410 --> 00:46:31,320 this to court and and and presented this 1000 00:46:37,010 --> 00:46:33,420 case the court about whether we had been 1001 00:46:39,020 --> 00:46:37,020 visited I think any jury would would 1002 00:46:42,580 --> 00:46:39,030 reach a verdict in a matter of a few 1003 00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:42,590 minutes after listening all the evidence 1004 00:46:47,060 --> 00:46:44,730 now when you say the government was 1005 00:46:49,310 --> 00:46:47,070 nervous about Linda Moulton Howe as a 1006 00:46:51,230 --> 00:46:49,320 journalist knowing too much there's been 1007 00:46:53,180 --> 00:46:51,240 some suggestion about other journalists 1008 00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:53,190 in the past such as Dorothy Kilgallen 1009 00:46:58,970 --> 00:46:56,610 and being involved with Kennedy and so 1010 00:47:00,530 --> 00:46:58,980 on did you ever hear any rumors or do 1011 00:47:05,090 --> 00:47:00,540 you have any insider information that 1012 00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:05,100 can link up some of the misfortunes that 1013 00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:07,440 they incurred in connection with any of 1014 00:47:16,580 --> 00:47:13,890 this stuff I don't have any in 1015 00:47:20,390 --> 00:47:16,590 particular inside story about her or 1016 00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:20,400 anyone else I don't I stay away from 1017 00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:22,410 that I said I tell you I'm gonna tell 1018 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:24,570 you what I know what I saw what I did 1019 00:47:29,900 --> 00:47:26,970 and I don't speculate on what other 1020 00:47:34,970 --> 00:47:29,910 people have done or what other people 1021 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:34,980 might know or something but okay let me 1022 00:47:40,580 --> 00:47:36,930 ask you a specific question though back 1023 00:47:42,510 --> 00:47:40,590 to Roswell now we've had the Roswell 1024 00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:42,520 spaceships on ice or 1025 00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:46,000 / now in area 51 plus where they were 1026 00:47:52,260 --> 00:47:49,330 before for decades have we learned 1027 00:47:54,089 --> 00:47:52,270 anything about them have we been able to 1028 00:47:56,490 --> 00:47:54,099 decode or reverse-engineer alien 1029 00:47:59,550 --> 00:47:56,500 technology of course we all remember 1030 00:48:02,099 --> 00:47:59,560 that book the day after Roswell written 1031 00:48:04,290 --> 00:48:02,109 by Colonel Corso and of course bill 1032 00:48:06,540 --> 00:48:04,300 burns that claimed that we did although 1033 00:48:08,910 --> 00:48:06,550 some people regard the specific 1034 00:48:11,370 --> 00:48:08,920 inventions mention is being questionable 1035 00:48:13,950 --> 00:48:11,380 are you aware of anything being reverse 1036 00:48:15,839 --> 00:48:13,960 engineer at any technology that would 1037 00:48:18,810 --> 00:48:15,849 not have exists or would not have been 1038 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:18,820 perfected word not for the presence of 1039 00:48:24,930 --> 00:48:22,450 an alien craft no I was not a scientist 1040 00:48:28,290 --> 00:48:24,940 that was never briefed into any kind of 1041 00:48:30,270 --> 00:48:28,300 scientific program or R&D program so I 1042 00:48:32,970 --> 00:48:30,280 can't answer that question I'm not sure 1043 00:48:35,550 --> 00:48:32,980 whether we had I mean I've read about 1044 00:48:37,710 --> 00:48:35,560 whether we have or not me personally I 1045 00:48:39,990 --> 00:48:37,720 don't know on another show you were 1046 00:48:42,690 --> 00:48:40,000 quoted as saying that the cash Landrum 1047 00:48:44,700 --> 00:48:42,700 operation was a total failure so it 1048 00:48:46,079 --> 00:48:44,710 sounds like you've had some involvement 1049 00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:46,089 with that can you tell us more about 1050 00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:46,690 that 1051 00:48:53,359 --> 00:48:49,890 well the cash Landrum case was in fact a 1052 00:48:55,470 --> 00:48:53,369 reverse engineered craft it was a 1053 00:48:57,720 --> 00:48:55,480 extraterrestrial craft using a 1054 00:49:00,440 --> 00:48:57,730 propulsion system that the u.s. 1055 00:49:03,660 --> 00:49:00,450 government created is manufactured and 1056 00:49:06,570 --> 00:49:03,670 it was an on applying operation from one 1057 00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:06,580 one base to another base and something 1058 00:49:15,329 --> 00:49:11,130 went wrong and it spurred out some 1059 00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:15,339 radiation and affected those people on 1060 00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:17,050 the ground now that's why I know about 1061 00:49:21,900 --> 00:49:19,690 it I mean I don't know technically how 1062 00:49:23,010 --> 00:49:21,910 it was engineered the reverse engineered 1063 00:49:25,140 --> 00:49:23,020 or witchcraft 1064 00:49:28,109 --> 00:49:25,150 that the reverse engineered of whether 1065 00:49:30,420 --> 00:49:28,119 it was the Roswell craft or the you know 1066 00:49:33,180 --> 00:49:30,430 last tank or whatever other craft that 1067 00:49:36,060 --> 00:49:33,190 they recovered but I know by reading a 1068 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:36,070 report that maybe a year or two later a 1069 00:49:41,490 --> 00:49:38,410 couple years later probably 80 to 82 1070 00:49:43,620 --> 00:49:41,500 that specifically mentioned that the 1071 00:49:45,900 --> 00:49:43,630 craft has experienced some major 1072 00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:45,910 malfunctions so that's what you meant by 1073 00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:48,160 it was a failure not that the like that 1074 00:49:52,710 --> 00:49:50,890 there was some subterfuge involved in 1075 00:49:55,140 --> 00:49:52,720 and influencing the witnesses or 1076 00:49:55,900 --> 00:49:55,150 anything but to the actual operation to 1077 00:50:00,069 --> 00:49:55,910 move the crap 1078 00:50:02,470 --> 00:50:00,079 went awry right okay okay good got you 1079 00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:02,480 thanks for sharing that I'm sure that'll 1080 00:50:06,490 --> 00:50:04,250 be found to be very interesting by one 1081 00:50:08,859 --> 00:50:06,500 of our foreign participants Randall good 1082 00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:08,869 good question and you know speaking 1083 00:50:14,099 --> 00:50:11,690 about foreign participants did you ever 1084 00:50:16,390 --> 00:50:14,109 work overseas uh Rick with other 1085 00:50:20,500 --> 00:50:16,400 counterintelligence agencies from other 1086 00:50:22,510 --> 00:50:20,510 countries for instance in England you 1087 00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:22,520 have the Rendlesham case did you dump 1088 00:50:27,819 --> 00:50:25,970 tail or did it for side Doug tail their 1089 00:50:31,029 --> 00:50:27,829 efforts where were they called in by 1090 00:50:34,420 --> 00:50:31,039 other countries to assist in retrievals 1091 00:50:36,789 --> 00:50:34,430 or incidences that needed some real 1092 00:50:39,940 --> 00:50:36,799 expert attention I was stationed in 1093 00:50:42,750 --> 00:50:39,950 Germany at Air Force OSI headquarters 1094 00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:42,760 Europe and during that time period I 1095 00:50:48,940 --> 00:50:46,490 didn't my main job wasn't investigate 1096 00:50:50,859 --> 00:50:48,950 UFOs it was counter espionage during 1097 00:50:53,710 --> 00:50:50,869 that time period eighties we were 1098 00:50:56,950 --> 00:50:53,720 fighting the Soviets behind you know 1099 00:51:01,089 --> 00:50:56,960 back in the bushes so to speak but I did 1100 00:51:03,730 --> 00:51:01,099 I did have occasion to work with the 1101 00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:03,740 German and it's in the Swiss 1102 00:51:09,339 --> 00:51:06,170 intelligence service on a couple cases 1103 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me and so we we went there and the 1172 00:54:50,730 --> 00:54:46,510 three of us and we went down we spoke to 1173 00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:50,740 Swiss until officer he briefed us on 1174 00:54:58,410 --> 00:54:54,970 what they had obtained from from their 1175 00:55:01,050 --> 00:54:58,420 sources and then we we actually went out 1176 00:55:02,460 --> 00:55:01,060 and they go back a little bit I was a 1177 00:55:05,099 --> 00:55:02,470 german linguist so I could speak German 1178 00:55:07,500 --> 00:55:05,109 I went the German language school and so 1179 00:55:12,180 --> 00:55:07,510 I could speak German so we went to his 1180 00:55:15,930 --> 00:55:12,190 house his farm and we spent a one full 1181 00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:15,940 day and then part of the next day and he 1182 00:55:20,130 --> 00:55:17,920 was very open to us showed us everything 1183 00:55:23,250 --> 00:55:20,140 that he claimed he big pictures up and 1184 00:55:26,550 --> 00:55:23,260 all the different cameras he used and 1185 00:55:30,530 --> 00:55:26,560 and so forth well when we went back to 1186 00:55:35,670 --> 00:55:30,540 these Swiss intelligence office in Bern 1187 00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:35,680 we sat around a table and everyone was 1188 00:55:39,510 --> 00:55:37,570 the Swiss ask us what do you guys think 1189 00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:39,520 of this what do you think in a week 1190 00:55:45,810 --> 00:55:42,400 every one of us our opinions were that 1191 00:55:48,930 --> 00:55:45,820 it was a hoax complete hoax the angle 1192 00:55:51,030 --> 00:55:48,940 the camera angles the the the way he 1193 00:55:53,849 --> 00:55:51,040 took the picture of the the items that 1194 00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:53,859 he took the picture of were fabricated 1195 00:55:58,079 --> 00:55:56,050 so our conclusion 1196 00:56:00,120 --> 00:55:58,089 to the Swiss intelligent and we were 1197 00:56:02,430 --> 00:56:00,130 doing this for the Swiss we didn't 1198 00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:02,440 actually do our own investigation we 1199 00:56:07,500 --> 00:56:05,650 were there with the Swiss I was that he 1200 00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:07,510 fabricated everything and it was a hoax 1201 00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:09,570 so 1202 00:56:17,430 --> 00:56:14,050 in probably 1985 I believe in the latter 1203 00:56:19,260 --> 00:56:17,440 part of 85 these days 86 was it was a 1204 00:56:20,850 --> 00:56:19,270 hoax and and I never heard any more 1205 00:56:23,490 --> 00:56:20,860 thing more about it until I started 1206 00:56:25,890 --> 00:56:23,500 reading all this open source stuff that 1207 00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:25,900 people have written about it well some 1208 00:56:31,410 --> 00:56:28,690 people today even today think that they 1209 00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:31,420 had billy meier claims are real and 1210 00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:33,520 legitimate well thank you for setting 1211 00:56:37,530 --> 00:56:35,170 the record straight on that one how 1212 00:56:39,420 --> 00:56:37,540 about the Bentwaters or Rendlesham stuff 1213 00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:39,430 did did you have any involvement with 1214 00:56:45,740 --> 00:56:42,730 that no I never I was never involved in 1215 00:56:49,770 --> 00:56:45,750 that at all how about the project serpo 1216 00:56:52,020 --> 00:56:49,780 which many people believe let me go back 1217 00:56:53,430 --> 00:56:52,030 to the Bentwaters in okay no sound for 1218 00:56:57,840 --> 00:56:53,440 just a minute 1219 00:57:00,060 --> 00:56:57,850 in 1984 I was in headquarters OSI in 1220 00:57:01,620 --> 00:57:00,070 Washington DC and Colonel law who was in 1221 00:57:06,210 --> 00:57:01,630 charge of counterintelligence at that 1222 00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:06,220 time just died he allowed me to read the 1223 00:57:13,340 --> 00:57:09,370 Bentwaters OSI days file that's the only 1224 00:57:18,900 --> 00:57:13,350 access or any knowledge I had no state 1225 00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:18,910 okay now it is seem legit well the case 1226 00:57:24,060 --> 00:57:21,610 made the conclusion that it was an 1227 00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:24,070 extraterrestrial crap but but that's all 1228 00:57:30,780 --> 00:57:27,690 side talking it wasn't any kind of 1229 00:57:32,730 --> 00:57:30,790 professional scientific analysis it was 1230 00:57:35,450 --> 00:57:32,740 just all sigh the agents investigating 1231 00:57:37,620 --> 00:57:35,460 that this current had to been 1232 00:57:40,380 --> 00:57:37,630 extraterrestrial and they did their 1233 00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:40,390 investigation they did their radiation 1234 00:57:44,340 --> 00:57:42,010 analysis they took a lot of pictures 1235 00:57:48,150 --> 00:57:44,350 they interviewed everyone involved in 1236 00:57:51,540 --> 00:57:48,160 and they came up with a with a with a 1237 00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:51,550 final case and their opinion and sent it 1238 00:57:55,230 --> 00:57:53,410 on to a secretary of the Air Force so so 1239 00:57:57,750 --> 00:57:55,240 that's basically what the report said 1240 00:58:00,060 --> 00:57:57,760 okay so back to hoaxes then there's this 1241 00:58:02,420 --> 00:58:00,070 project serpo here we have our one of 1242 00:58:06,620 --> 00:58:02,430 our foreign people mode even he's asking 1243 00:58:09,990 --> 00:58:06,630 what your involvement was with that and 1244 00:58:12,390 --> 00:58:10,000 how you might explain how they say in 1245 00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:12,400 the Mirage Man documentary that your IP 1246 00:58:17,510 --> 00:58:14,890 address was connected to emails that 1247 00:58:20,450 --> 00:58:17,520 were sent to Victor Martinez 1248 00:58:22,100 --> 00:58:20,460 well I'd liked it let's go to court on 1249 00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:22,110 that I've already tried it already went 1250 00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:24,330 to court once on this with a guy who 1251 00:58:29,630 --> 00:58:26,850 claimed that he had all this proof that 1252 00:58:32,150 --> 00:58:29,640 I fabricated the circle document and 1253 00:58:35,510 --> 00:58:32,160 others not just the circle the mj-12 1254 00:58:38,900 --> 00:58:35,520 documents and he spreading these lies 1255 00:58:40,730 --> 00:58:38,910 about me so I hired an attorney he spent 1256 00:58:42,859 --> 00:58:40,740 a lot of money and then he shut up 1257 00:58:46,100 --> 00:58:42,869 saying well you know what we can't 1258 00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:46,110 really prove it it's not really there 1259 00:58:51,470 --> 00:58:49,170 but but let me tell you the circle story 1260 00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:51,480 who do you think is behind it if you if 1261 00:58:55,730 --> 00:58:53,760 you can tell us that to BIA did the 1262 00:59:00,230 --> 00:58:55,740 Defense Intelligence Agency if 1263 00:59:05,109 --> 00:59:00,240 interested if you read this stuff I wish 1264 00:59:15,850 --> 00:59:06,850 dollars on it 1265 00:59:21,500 --> 00:59:18,920 UFO convention that these people made a 1266 00:59:24,380 --> 00:59:21,510 million dollars and the quote so I don't 1267 00:59:27,140 --> 00:59:24,390 know well let me tell you Rick nobody 1268 00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:27,150 well what if you do but almost nobody 1269 00:59:32,330 --> 00:59:29,490 who ever gets involved in UFOs or 1270 00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:32,340 anything else makes a million dollars a 1271 00:59:40,490 --> 00:59:34,890 hundred thousand dollars even ten 1272 00:59:42,380 --> 00:59:40,500 thousand dollars yeah there's a number 1273 00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:42,390 of people had written fairly well 1274 00:59:47,540 --> 00:59:44,730 selling books but take it from somebody 1275 00:59:51,710 --> 00:59:47,550 who knows you don't get into this 1276 00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:51,720 particular area of inquiry to to make a 1277 00:59:57,349 --> 00:59:54,330 lot of money you do it because you have 1278 00:59:59,920 --> 00:59:57,359 a passion for the subject and I don't 1279 01:00:02,690 --> 00:59:59,930 think Len cast and if you asked him 1280 01:00:05,810 --> 01:00:02,700 would say that he came out very far 1281 01:00:08,390 --> 01:00:05,820 ahead on the circle book I mean well 1282 01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:08,400 getting back to serpo I mean is there 1283 01:00:14,540 --> 01:00:11,970 any credible information to your 1284 01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:14,550 knowledge that indicates that something 1285 01:00:21,020 --> 01:00:17,730 like the serpo scenario actually took 1286 01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:21,030 place and for our long-time listeners 1287 01:00:24,650 --> 01:00:22,650 they know what i'm talking about but for 1288 01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:24,660 people that don't know about serpo if 1289 01:00:30,890 --> 01:00:26,850 basically if you remember that scene 1290 01:00:34,970 --> 01:00:30,900 from Close Encounters where the the 1291 01:00:37,100 --> 01:00:34,980 jump suited Air Force personnel whomever 1292 01:00:40,490 --> 01:00:37,110 from the US governor lining up and then 1293 01:00:43,910 --> 01:00:40,500 going on to the craft and going I guess 1294 01:00:46,310 --> 01:00:43,920 back to the aliens home planet Serco 1295 01:00:50,090 --> 01:00:46,320 takes it from there and then creates it 1296 01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:50,100 appears to create a hole I consider it 1297 01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:53,130 to be a hole mythical story about what 1298 01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:54,810 happened once they got to the alien 1299 01:00:58,040 --> 01:00:56,730 planet and that sort of thing but back 1300 01:01:01,430 --> 01:00:58,050 to my question Rick do you think that 1301 01:01:04,610 --> 01:01:01,440 there has ever been any sort of contact 1302 01:01:06,910 --> 01:01:04,620 with an alien race where some sort of 1303 01:01:11,690 --> 01:01:06,920 treaties have been made some sort of 1304 01:01:14,810 --> 01:01:11,700 understanding has been established where 1305 01:01:17,630 --> 01:01:14,820 we actually have some sort of ongoing 1306 01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:17,640 dialogue with an off planet intelligence 1307 01:01:30,500 --> 01:01:28,290 yes yes elaborate Victor Martinez I had 1308 01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:30,510 no idea who Victor Martinez was I met 1309 01:01:38,870 --> 01:01:35,490 him through another guy Joe Yaeger who 1310 01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:38,880 worked it was retired from the DIA the 1311 01:01:44,300 --> 01:01:42,090 George contacted me and sent me these 1312 01:01:46,850 --> 01:01:44,310 emails that Victor Martinez was sending 1313 01:01:49,730 --> 01:01:46,860 out and I got very interested in the 1314 01:01:52,310 --> 01:01:49,740 subject me I was very fascinated by it I 1315 01:01:55,970 --> 01:01:52,320 had never heard about Circle but what I 1316 01:02:00,380 --> 01:01:55,980 did hear about was the alien that we 1317 01:02:02,450 --> 01:02:00,390 captured in the deserts of New Mexico he 1318 01:02:04,940 --> 01:02:02,460 was a smart he was a he was just a 1319 01:02:06,620 --> 01:02:04,950 mechanic but but he had a high IQ and he 1320 01:02:10,670 --> 01:02:06,630 was very intelligent a lot more 1321 01:02:13,550 --> 01:02:10,680 intelligent than any of us but he he 1322 01:02:17,270 --> 01:02:13,560 managed to get a communications device 1323 01:02:21,410 --> 01:02:17,280 out of the craft and was able to power 1324 01:02:25,610 --> 01:02:21,420 that device using a one of their energy 1325 01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:25,620 devices and was able to send signals out 1326 01:02:32,270 --> 01:02:30,810 to his planet now we did this because we 1327 01:02:33,890 --> 01:02:32,280 couldn't understand we didn't know their 1328 01:02:35,810 --> 01:02:33,900 language and we didn't understand 1329 01:02:38,570 --> 01:02:35,820 anything about the planet or where the 1330 01:02:42,620 --> 01:02:38,580 planet was but he was able to do this 1331 01:02:44,730 --> 01:02:42,630 and and what he explained as I read was 1332 01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:44,740 that they had a series of 1333 01:02:49,740 --> 01:02:46,690 communications relay stations throughout 1334 01:02:52,980 --> 01:02:49,750 space and from his plate from the earth 1335 01:02:55,859 --> 01:02:52,990 to his planet was I believe nine nine 1336 01:02:57,750 --> 01:02:55,869 nine years I don't call me and I don't 1337 01:03:01,230 --> 01:02:57,760 remember exact distance but I believe it 1338 01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:01,240 was nine but anyways and we were able to 1339 01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:04,810 send messages that he was and they 1340 01:03:09,390 --> 01:03:07,210 received messages we received messages 1341 01:03:10,740 --> 01:03:09,400 back let me ask a question 1342 01:03:12,300 --> 01:03:10,750 quick question goes we're going to run 1343 01:03:14,310 --> 01:03:12,310 out of time for the next segment and 1344 01:03:16,740 --> 01:03:14,320 maybe we can frame this as you continue 1345 01:03:18,420 --> 01:03:16,750 is this like a subspace radio where it's 1346 01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:18,430 instantaneous back and forth for 1347 01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:19,810 otherwise it would take nine years each 1348 01:03:25,620 --> 01:03:22,930 way we've got Rick Doty a cultural 1349 01:03:27,540 --> 01:03:25,630 exchange program 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01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:39,500 eliminate these invisible dangers learn 1447 01:07:43,300 --> 01:07:41,690 more at block at pocket comm or call 1448 01:07:45,579 --> 01:07:43,310 eight eight eight three one five nine 1449 01:07:50,209 --> 01:07:45,589 six one eight block eight pocket comm 1450 01:07:55,199 --> 01:07:53,189 we'd like to hear from you if you have a 1451 01:07:58,890 --> 01:07:55,209 comment or question about the para cast 1452 01:08:02,609 --> 01:07:58,900 sent it to news at the para cast com 1453 01:08:04,589 --> 01:08:02,619 that's news at the para cast calm and 1454 01:08:07,769 --> 01:08:04,599 don't forget to visit our famous para 1455 01:08:13,170 --> 01:08:07,779 cast community forums at forum dot the 1456 01:08:15,809 --> 01:08:13,180 para cast com so rick instantaneous 1457 01:08:17,910 --> 01:08:15,819 communication across the stars or what i 1458 01:08:19,890 --> 01:08:17,920 don't know i don't i don't have any 1459 01:08:22,379 --> 01:08:19,900 information i all I know is what I read 1460 01:08:24,149 --> 01:08:22,389 that we had ad we were able to send 1461 01:08:26,669 --> 01:08:24,159 messages and receive messages now the 1462 01:08:30,149 --> 01:08:26,679 problem of course is when they alien the 1463 01:08:33,089 --> 01:08:30,159 et died in 1952 we in a way of 1464 01:08:37,109 --> 01:08:33,099 translating any of this so back to 1465 01:08:39,359 --> 01:08:37,119 circle part of circle it is factual we 1466 01:08:42,269 --> 01:08:39,369 did communicate with during the time he 1467 01:08:44,129 --> 01:08:42,279 was alive now I have no knowledge I was 1468 01:08:48,749 --> 01:08:44,139 never briefed in any program about what 1469 01:08:50,999 --> 01:08:48,759 happened after he died and if we we were 1470 01:08:53,220 --> 01:08:51,009 able to communicate or whether we had 1471 01:08:56,849 --> 01:08:53,230 some kind of method that he had given us 1472 01:08:59,189 --> 01:08:56,859 or or maybe he caught some some some of 1473 01:09:00,510 --> 01:08:59,199 our people how to do it I don't have any 1474 01:09:04,109 --> 01:09:00,520 of that information about reading 1475 01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:04,119 surfing some of that is factual that's 1476 01:09:13,829 --> 01:09:05,290 why I'm saying that 1477 01:09:16,979 --> 01:09:13,839 CIA put this out for some reason and and 1478 01:09:20,419 --> 01:09:16,989 I don't know what that reason is but but 1479 01:09:23,220 --> 01:09:20,429 my my friends my contacts within dia 1480 01:09:26,099 --> 01:09:23,230 won't acknowledge it but they do 1481 01:09:28,890 --> 01:09:26,109 acknowledge that an exchange program was 1482 01:09:31,169 --> 01:09:28,900 planned now according to them and this 1483 01:09:33,870 --> 01:09:31,179 is not something I was briefed on by the 1484 01:09:36,870 --> 01:09:33,880 by the government let me let me preamble 1485 01:09:39,930 --> 01:09:36,880 that I heard this from them from the DIA 1486 01:09:43,559 --> 01:09:39,940 people years after I got out they said 1487 01:09:45,930 --> 01:09:43,569 that they had a plan based on the wishes 1488 01:09:49,799 --> 01:09:45,940 of the et that died in our captivity 1489 01:09:53,789 --> 01:09:49,809 that their race wanted the bodies back 1490 01:09:56,790 --> 01:09:53,799 so his job was to set up some kind of a 1491 01:09:59,220 --> 01:09:56,800 contact where this alien race would come 1492 01:10:01,290 --> 01:09:59,230 to earth pick up the bodies maybe have 1493 01:10:02,370 --> 01:10:01,300 an exchange and then leave and go back 1494 01:10:03,569 --> 01:10:02,380 now 1495 01:10:06,390 --> 01:10:03,579 according to 1496 01:10:08,850 --> 01:10:06,400 my source this actually happened and 1497 01:10:10,919 --> 01:10:08,860 that was the the Sakura sighting of 1498 01:10:14,729 --> 01:10:10,929 Sakura internet or the Holloman landing 1499 01:10:16,399 --> 01:10:14,739 that occurred in 1964 wait a minute 1500 01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:16,409 those are two different two different 1501 01:10:26,010 --> 01:10:22,570 incidences really the linings of 1502 01:10:29,549 --> 01:10:26,020 Maureen's didn't happen in April of 1964 1503 01:10:31,979 --> 01:10:29,559 and a couple days later the Holloman 1504 01:10:33,930 --> 01:10:31,989 incident allegedly happened now I again 1505 01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:33,940 I don't have any concrete proof that 1506 01:10:40,049 --> 01:10:36,250 this ever happened but from open source 1507 01:10:42,390 --> 01:10:40,059 material and from other people telling 1508 01:10:44,910 --> 01:10:42,400 me that that happened during the same 1509 01:10:47,549 --> 01:10:44,920 timeframe that what happened was the 1510 01:10:50,069 --> 01:10:47,559 coordinates that were given to the ETS 1511 01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:50,079 to come back along they were wrong so 1512 01:10:54,450 --> 01:10:52,449 they landed where they the coordinates 1513 01:10:56,399 --> 01:10:54,460 they were given that was in Sapporo 1514 01:11:01,260 --> 01:10:56,409 where actually they were supposed to 1515 01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:01,270 land down there Holloman and that Wow 1516 01:11:08,310 --> 01:11:05,730 interesting today where do you take that 1517 01:11:10,410 --> 01:11:08,320 I'm having a hard time with some of this 1518 01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:10,420 but if that's true and I need to do you 1519 01:11:14,729 --> 01:11:12,489 know Dylan saan this and do a little bit 1520 01:11:16,979 --> 01:11:14,739 of research now and kind of confirm that 1521 01:11:18,689 --> 01:11:16,989 that would be very interesting of course 1522 01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:18,699 as you know there's been quite a bit of 1523 01:11:23,399 --> 01:11:21,010 you know they're just in a reinter st in 1524 01:11:26,850 --> 01:11:23,409 the Socorro case you know having passed 1525 01:11:28,850 --> 01:11:26,860 the the 50-year anniversary and and some 1526 01:11:31,109 --> 01:11:28,860 of the claims that are made to try to 1527 01:11:32,939 --> 01:11:31,119 dissuade people from thinking that it's 1528 01:11:37,410 --> 01:11:32,949 a real case and it was a hoax by 1529 01:11:39,990 --> 01:11:37,420 students down there ray Stanford who you 1530 01:11:43,100 --> 01:11:40,000 know I feel is probably the the most 1531 01:11:45,689 --> 01:11:43,110 important person in ufology right now 1532 01:11:48,299 --> 01:11:45,699 has always maintained that the case was 1533 01:11:52,260 --> 01:11:48,309 a real case and that no terrestrial 1534 01:11:54,689 --> 01:11:52,270 craft could actually have been landing 1535 01:11:58,080 --> 01:11:54,699 there based on our level of technology 1536 01:12:01,500 --> 01:11:58,090 at the time there's a lot of talk about 1537 01:12:05,010 --> 01:12:01,510 secret space programs exalted technology 1538 01:12:07,260 --> 01:12:05,020 you know your 10 years at a far side did 1539 01:12:11,310 --> 01:12:07,270 you ever come across any indication that 1540 01:12:13,770 --> 01:12:11,320 we have had the ability to create exotic 1541 01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:13,780 crafts that have been able to go back to 1542 01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:15,610 go to the moon prior to the apollo 1543 01:12:20,130 --> 01:12:16,210 landing 1544 01:12:23,130 --> 01:12:20,140 say or go to Mars have exotic propulsion 1545 01:12:25,620 --> 01:12:23,140 systems that have been enable us to take 1546 01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:25,630 e.t home as been rich allegedly was 1547 01:12:32,430 --> 01:12:29,770 supposed to have said in seriously say 1548 01:12:35,900 --> 01:12:32,440 to acknowledge do we have anything that 1549 01:12:40,860 --> 01:12:35,910 approaches some of the more sensational 1550 01:12:43,140 --> 01:12:40,870 claims of you know insiders no I I don't 1551 01:12:48,750 --> 01:12:43,150 know of any I was never in the are in 1552 01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:48,760 the area so I I never heard that except 1553 01:12:54,780 --> 01:12:51,610 for the Kakashi Landrum craft which was 1554 01:12:57,390 --> 01:12:54,790 obviously had a major malfunction 1555 01:13:02,010 --> 01:12:57,400 I personally was never briefed in any 1556 01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:02,020 program that that showed or approved 1557 01:13:06,709 --> 01:13:04,330 that we could reverse engineer anything 1558 01:13:08,820 --> 01:13:06,719 that we had gotten from the eighties 1559 01:13:10,530 --> 01:13:08,830 right then that would make sense because 1560 01:13:12,780 --> 01:13:10,540 you were in the investigative end as you 1561 01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:12,790 said not you weren't you didn't have a 1562 01:13:21,270 --> 01:13:14,290 need to know about anything like that 1563 01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:21,280 well others touted serpo as being the 1564 01:13:26,490 --> 01:13:23,890 real thing I remember at the time back 1565 01:13:31,620 --> 01:13:26,500 in 2005 if memory serves me correct this 1566 01:13:33,780 --> 01:13:31,630 was a quite a sensational story how much 1567 01:13:36,990 --> 01:13:33,790 of it again how much of it do you think 1568 01:13:39,260 --> 01:13:37,000 is real and and can you assign a rough 1569 01:13:41,820 --> 01:13:39,270 percentage of what is real and what is 1570 01:13:43,580 --> 01:13:41,830 complete disinformation and fabrication 1571 01:13:48,150 --> 01:13:43,590 and what would be the reason to 1572 01:13:52,050 --> 01:13:48,160 fabricate this well the reason I write I 1573 01:13:54,300 --> 01:13:52,060 had no idea but what I had been told let 1574 01:13:59,209 --> 01:13:54,310 me go back to my briefing back in 1978 1575 01:14:02,010 --> 01:13:59,219 one part of the briefing stated that the 1576 01:14:03,780 --> 01:14:02,020 extra-terrestrial the ebo Hwanhee 1577 01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:03,790 referred to a Eva 1578 01:14:10,050 --> 01:14:07,650 they even that we captured in Roswell 1579 01:14:14,700 --> 01:14:10,060 assisted in the United States government 1580 01:14:17,580 --> 01:14:14,710 and a communications device that would 1581 01:14:22,140 --> 01:14:17,590 contact his planet that's that's it 1582 01:14:24,450 --> 01:14:22,150 that's the only statement that I put in 1583 01:14:27,810 --> 01:14:24,460 that document that pertain to that the 1584 01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:27,820 et phone home device if you take that 1585 01:14:31,650 --> 01:14:29,770 and then look at 1586 01:14:35,190 --> 01:14:31,660 well and the people I talk to now I 1587 01:14:37,070 --> 01:14:35,200 talked to and Justin recently in 2014 I 1588 01:14:39,540 --> 01:14:37,080 went back to Washington DC for a 1589 01:14:44,330 --> 01:14:39,550 unfortunately a funeral of a colleague 1590 01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:44,340 of mine but one at Colonel full board 1591 01:14:50,790 --> 01:14:47,530 Air Force colonel who would had been 1592 01:14:54,420 --> 01:14:50,800 assigned to the CIA during the time 1593 01:14:56,270 --> 01:14:54,430 period I was working for OSI he was all 1594 01:14:58,020 --> 01:14:56,280 he was Air Force when you assign the CIA 1595 01:15:01,050 --> 01:14:58,030 he told me 1596 01:15:04,770 --> 01:15:01,060 in 2014 we sat around a hotel room 1597 01:15:07,260 --> 01:15:04,780 talking and drinking a beer and there 1598 01:15:11,910 --> 01:15:07,270 were four other there were six of us 1599 01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:11,920 total and and everyone in the room were 1600 01:15:18,980 --> 01:15:17,050 joking about cokes books and and and all 1601 01:15:21,900 --> 01:15:18,990 these stories that are going out 1602 01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:21,910 regarding UFOs which we know that it 1603 01:15:27,630 --> 01:15:24,730 would absolutely fall people make this 1604 01:15:30,090 --> 01:15:27,640 stuff up they use false sources and so 1605 01:15:32,970 --> 01:15:30,100 forth anyways we're joking somebody 1606 01:15:35,910 --> 01:15:32,980 mentioned the circle and this Colonel 1607 01:15:38,940 --> 01:15:35,920 who was probably 80 probably 80 some 1608 01:15:41,190 --> 01:15:38,950 years old he said no that really 1609 01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:41,200 happened and we thought initially he was 1610 01:15:45,090 --> 01:15:43,210 joking because he was a practical joker 1611 01:15:47,790 --> 01:15:45,100 but he said no he said I didn't involve 1612 01:15:49,530 --> 01:15:47,800 12 people involved three people and that 1613 01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:49,540 actually happened if you guys don't want 1614 01:15:52,830 --> 01:15:50,650 to believe it don't believe it but 1615 01:15:56,730 --> 01:15:52,840 that's what happened so and that's all 1616 01:15:58,620 --> 01:15:56,740 basic always said about circle I you 1617 01:16:00,450 --> 01:15:58,630 know maybe it didn't happen 1618 01:16:02,070 --> 01:16:00,460 maybe they everybody got it wrong I mean 1619 01:16:04,170 --> 01:16:02,080 I know there's a lot of people there and 1620 01:16:06,900 --> 01:16:04,180 Linda Moulton Howe I know some other 1621 01:16:09,330 --> 01:16:06,910 people windows Stevens was emphatic 1622 01:16:11,970 --> 01:16:09,340 about it that it actually happened and 1623 01:16:14,550 --> 01:16:11,980 he had supposedly proof of it that had 1624 01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:14,560 happened but he never came forth from 1625 01:16:19,260 --> 01:16:16,810 the proof of that well you're bringing 1626 01:16:20,850 --> 01:16:19,270 up some interesting really tantalizing 1627 01:16:23,730 --> 01:16:20,860 clues that perhaps some of this 1628 01:16:26,250 --> 01:16:23,740 information could have a basis in 1629 01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:26,260 reality we'll have the rest of Chris's 1630 01:16:39,250 --> 01:16:28,690 question our next segment with Randall 1631 01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:43,160 thank you for listening to GCN 1632 01:16:49,610 --> 01:16:47,730 be sure to visit GCN live.com today are 1633 01:16:51,500 --> 01:16:49,620 you one of the 70% of Americans that 1634 01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:51,510 want to own your own business afraid to 1635 01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:53,130 leave the security of your current job 1636 01:16:56,209 --> 01:16:54,330 to pursue your dreams 1637 01:16:58,520 --> 01:16:56,219 I'm pharmacist Keith dr. 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01:20:37,630 --> 01:20:34,850 1-800 two six one nine eight one eight 1735 01:20:39,970 --> 01:20:37,640 and let us deal with the IRS while you 1736 01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:39,980 focus on your business that's one eight 1737 01:20:46,540 --> 01:20:42,770 hundred two six one nine eight one eight 1738 01:20:53,950 --> 01:20:46,550 again 800 two six one nine eight one 1739 01:20:59,920 --> 01:20:56,500 today this is Marie G Jones the author 1740 01:21:02,650 --> 01:20:59,930 of this book is from the future and you 1741 01:21:14,140 --> 01:21:02,660 are listening to the podcast the gold 1742 01:21:15,729 --> 01:21:14,150 standard of paranormal radio in a couple 1743 01:21:18,340 --> 01:21:15,739 of moments we'll start hitting in the 1744 01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:18,350 discussions about disinformation Paul 1745 01:21:21,610 --> 01:21:19,610 bennewitz and some of the other issues 1746 01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:21,620 our listeners who I know about Chris I 1747 01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:23,930 was gonna ask how much of this 1748 01:21:29,410 --> 01:21:27,170 information that is out there you know 1749 01:21:32,170 --> 01:21:29,420 if you could assign a rough percentage 1750 01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:32,180 is disinformation people's wishful 1751 01:21:37,660 --> 01:21:35,090 thinking I mean I know as a counter 1752 01:21:41,380 --> 01:21:37,670 intelligence officer one of your jobs is 1753 01:21:43,930 --> 01:21:41,390 to to ferret out misinformation and 1754 01:21:46,690 --> 01:21:43,940 disinformation so you're a perfect 1755 01:21:48,340 --> 01:21:46,700 person to ask what percentage of the 1756 01:21:50,830 --> 01:21:48,350 stuff that's being bannered around the 1757 01:21:55,180 --> 01:21:50,840 internet for instance the David Wilcock 1758 01:21:57,340 --> 01:21:55,190 Corey good avian Bluebird aliens Charles 1759 01:22:00,160 --> 01:21:57,350 white and it's all white aliens outside 1760 01:22:03,220 --> 01:22:00,170 of area 51 and billy meier and some yah 1761 01:22:06,070 --> 01:22:03,230 see how much of this stuff is real and 1762 01:22:08,140 --> 01:22:06,080 how much of it is pure confabulation for 1763 01:22:11,950 --> 01:22:08,150 whatever reason what's your estimation 1764 01:22:13,870 --> 01:22:11,960 on that what I've read and what I see on 1765 01:22:14,350 --> 01:22:13,880 the internet or books that I've read 1766 01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:14,360 Knight 1767 01:22:17,530 --> 01:22:15,770 I'm in my office here and I'm looking 1768 01:22:20,470 --> 01:22:17,540 over and I have a whole wall full of 1769 01:22:25,180 --> 01:22:20,480 books like that bread in from late 1770 01:22:27,850 --> 01:22:25,190 eighties on I'd say probably 20% is 1771 01:22:30,190 --> 01:22:27,860 accurate and the rest of it is baloney 1772 01:22:34,510 --> 01:22:30,200 there's stuff about Roswell vez and that 1773 01:22:36,370 --> 01:22:34,520 absolutely is so far-fetched lies that 1774 01:22:38,229 --> 01:22:36,380 it makes people that were that were 1775 01:22:39,910 --> 01:22:38,239 briefed into the program up sick to your 1776 01:22:42,070 --> 01:22:39,920 stomach and there's a lot of this stuff 1777 01:22:42,790 --> 01:22:42,080 that people written out there that are 1778 01:22:44,110 --> 01:22:42,800 baloney 1779 01:22:46,510 --> 01:22:44,120 now there's some people that have 1780 01:22:49,450 --> 01:22:46,520 written real books I mean there's one 1781 01:22:51,550 --> 01:22:49,460 guy I can't stand the person Robert 1782 01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:51,560 Hastings I mean he's a he's one of the 1783 01:22:56,140 --> 01:22:54,770 most obnoxious and he said a lot of bad 1784 01:23:02,680 --> 01:22:56,150 things about me but he wrote a good book 1785 01:23:04,990 --> 01:23:02,690 about missile sites and UFOs yeah that 1786 01:23:07,930 --> 01:23:05,000 book is I mean I don't like the guy but 1787 01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:07,940 he wrote a good book that that book is 1788 01:23:11,500 --> 01:23:09,410 and there's a lot of people within the 1789 01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:11,510 intelligence community that says the 1790 01:23:16,590 --> 01:23:14,330 same thing that very quickly Rick before 1791 01:23:19,180 --> 01:23:16,600 we move on it what is your beef with 1792 01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:19,190 Hastings what doesn't he like about you 1793 01:23:24,850 --> 01:23:21,010 he just thinks I'm a disinformation 1794 01:23:27,430 --> 01:23:24,860 person and that I made made up the mj-12 1795 01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:27,440 documents which I went through two 1796 01:23:31,390 --> 01:23:29,690 investigations two FBI investigations of 1797 01:23:34,180 --> 01:23:31,400 proof that I didn't I took polygraphs 1798 01:23:36,370 --> 01:23:34,190 approved I didn't he at one time sent me 1799 01:23:38,170 --> 01:23:36,380 an email saying he had been an OSI agent 1800 01:23:40,300 --> 01:23:38,180 which he don't hide about he was never 1801 01:23:42,700 --> 01:23:40,310 an OSI agent who's never in a military 1802 01:23:45,190 --> 01:23:42,710 and then he he just blast me on the 1803 01:23:47,650 --> 01:23:45,200 internet and saying ridiculous and 1804 01:23:48,130 --> 01:23:47,660 stupid things that that's about setting 1805 01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:48,140 anymore 1806 01:23:52,930 --> 01:23:49,850 I mean I just considered the source but 1807 01:23:54,850 --> 01:23:52,940 yeah he wrote one good book and I admire 1808 01:23:56,770 --> 01:23:54,860 I mean I do I read the book I read the 1809 01:23:59,110 --> 01:23:56,780 book we covered a cloud covered it was a 1810 01:24:01,270 --> 01:23:59,120 very very good book okay the 1811 01:24:03,550 --> 01:24:01,280 disinformation thing is a very big issue 1812 01:24:05,440 --> 01:24:03,560 and you've been accused of being gauging 1813 01:24:08,770 --> 01:24:05,450 in disinformation so mj-12 1814 01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:08,780 is that real or did someone do it and 1815 01:24:14,980 --> 01:24:11,810 who do you think did it I have no idea 1816 01:24:17,590 --> 01:24:14,990 the I didn't know about that mj-12 1817 01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:17,600 documents now let me go back to the 1818 01:24:24,550 --> 01:24:21,850 briefing in 1978 the briefing in 1978 1819 01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:24,560 encompassed the Eisenhower briefing 1820 01:24:29,190 --> 01:24:27,050 document it was there was brief in the 1821 01:24:31,990 --> 01:24:29,200 name that and they mentioned that 1822 01:24:33,580 --> 01:24:32,000 Eisenhower then breathed a German was 1823 01:24:36,250 --> 01:24:33,590 breathe the Eisenhower's of Breed 1824 01:24:39,370 --> 01:24:36,260 Kennedy was briefed the presidents are 1825 01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:39,380 always briefed Reagan was briefed but 1826 01:24:45,970 --> 01:24:41,810 the actual document that was released to 1827 01:24:49,180 --> 01:24:45,980 Jamie Shin dear a bill more I obtained a 1828 01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:49,190 copy from Jamie SH and era he sent me a 1829 01:24:55,330 --> 01:24:52,850 copy well let me go back I met with 1830 01:24:57,670 --> 01:24:55,340 Jamie and Jamie told me about the gene 1831 01:24:59,020 --> 01:24:57,680 for the MJ told document was meeting 1832 01:25:01,750 --> 01:24:59,030 with him on something entirely different 1833 01:25:04,780 --> 01:25:01,760 but he told me about it and then I when 1834 01:25:06,910 --> 01:25:04,790 I got back to my office in Albuquerque 1835 01:25:09,340 --> 01:25:06,920 sent me one and I opened it up and I 1836 01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:09,350 looked at it I thought wow this is most 1837 01:25:15,070 --> 01:25:12,050 of it is what I remember but there was a 1838 01:25:17,140 --> 01:25:15,080 lot of differences and so you know I 1839 01:25:19,930 --> 01:25:17,150 enquired Jamie where'd you get this from 1840 01:25:21,580 --> 01:25:19,940 bill gave it to him bill got it from the 1841 01:25:26,740 --> 01:25:21,590 contact in Washington 1842 01:25:29,530 --> 01:25:26,750 and well we knew I knew who bills 1843 01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:29,540 contact was in Washington DC I know I 1844 01:25:34,810 --> 01:25:31,730 knew it I knew the guy I never knew I 1845 01:25:37,089 --> 01:25:34,820 knew it but I knew who he was and so at 1846 01:25:39,490 --> 01:25:37,099 one point later on I asked this person 1847 01:25:41,740 --> 01:25:39,500 if he had sent anything to build more 1848 01:25:44,430 --> 01:25:41,750 and he denied it so I don't know where 1849 01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:44,440 it ever came from it's based on real 1850 01:25:50,350 --> 01:25:47,570 real information but it was was retyped 1851 01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:50,360 or recreated by somebody else and I 1852 01:25:57,189 --> 01:25:54,290 don't know who did that now in 1987 the 1853 01:25:59,939 --> 01:25:57,199 Air Force accused me of creating this 1854 01:26:01,930 --> 01:25:59,949 document so the after the FBI 1855 01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:01,940 investigated it 1856 01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:04,730 I passed the polygraph and they they 1857 01:26:08,950 --> 01:26:07,130 said well okay you didn't do it but but 1858 01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:08,960 the agent that was investigating this 1859 01:26:14,109 --> 01:26:11,449 was convinced that the Air Force did it 1860 01:26:15,729 --> 01:26:14,119 or the government maybe CIA somebody 1861 01:26:17,979 --> 01:26:15,739 else did it and they wanted to get the 1862 01:26:18,129 --> 01:26:17,989 information out and that's why they did 1863 01:26:20,530 --> 01:26:18,139 it 1864 01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:20,540 why pick you why select you as a 1865 01:26:25,419 --> 01:26:23,210 possible suspect because of my contacts 1866 01:26:28,780 --> 01:26:25,429 with Jamie Schinder and Bill Moore okay 1867 01:26:30,839 --> 01:26:28,790 let me dovetail that to this other case 1868 01:26:33,970 --> 01:26:30,849 and that is of course Paul bennewitz 1869 01:26:37,540 --> 01:26:33,980 what was your involvement in that Paul 1870 01:26:38,979 --> 01:26:37,550 bennewitz owned a business outside 1871 01:26:41,770 --> 01:26:38,989 Kirtland Air Force Base 1872 01:26:45,250 --> 01:26:41,780 Thunder scientific laboratories Paul 1873 01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:45,260 bennewitz had at a contract a government 1874 01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:49,570 contract to make certain a certain 1875 01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:52,489 humidity monitor for submarines for 1876 01:26:57,520 --> 01:26:55,330 nuclear submarines so he had he had a 1877 01:26:59,950 --> 01:26:57,530 Department of Defense security clearance 1878 01:27:03,220 --> 01:26:59,960 Paul bennewitz also lived right outside 1879 01:27:05,979 --> 01:27:03,230 the gate right outside the fence line to 1880 01:27:09,729 --> 01:27:05,989 Manzano a weapon storage area where they 1881 01:27:12,879 --> 01:27:09,739 stored two nuclear weapons and Paul 1882 01:27:15,750 --> 01:27:12,889 bennewitz came to the base and reported 1883 01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:15,760 it to the chief of the base security 1884 01:27:22,859 --> 01:27:20,210 that he was he had filmed some strange 1885 01:27:25,689 --> 01:27:22,869 objects flying around Manzano airbase i 1886 01:27:27,370 --> 01:27:25,699 am i'm donald storage site go out i used 1887 01:27:31,689 --> 01:27:27,380 to call it air base but it's a story 1888 01:27:35,169 --> 01:27:31,699 site and that he also had he was picking 1889 01:27:39,130 --> 01:27:35,179 up strange communications from the base 1890 01:27:42,220 --> 01:27:39,140 so he reported it's a major ernie edges 1891 01:27:44,919 --> 01:27:42,230 who was the thief of the 1608 security 1892 01:27:46,899 --> 01:27:44,929 police collided at Kirtland well major 1893 01:27:49,270 --> 01:27:46,909 Edwards immediately recorded that to me 1894 01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:49,280 I mean actually within an hour after he 1895 01:27:53,890 --> 01:27:51,010 and the bennewitz 1896 01:27:56,169 --> 01:27:53,900 contacted him he reported to me and we 1897 01:28:00,939 --> 01:27:56,179 started an investigation and that's how 1898 01:28:04,209 --> 01:28:00,949 I became involved in it okay so there is 1899 01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:04,219 the accusation here that they were doing 1900 01:28:09,310 --> 01:28:06,890 some screwing around with his mind that 1901 01:28:12,070 --> 01:28:09,320 eventually made him go crazy what's all 1902 01:28:15,910 --> 01:28:12,080 that about nah that's a bunch of crap 1903 01:28:17,649 --> 01:28:15,920 what happened was what Paul what Paul 1904 01:28:20,110 --> 01:28:17,659 and this is in classify used to be 1905 01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:20,120 classified isn't in class anymore what 1906 01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:24,250 Paul was doing was feigning some signals 1907 01:28:35,950 --> 01:28:32,570 from a NSA site on the base and the NSA 1908 01:28:39,970 --> 01:28:35,960 site on the base at one time highly 1909 01:28:43,060 --> 01:28:39,980 classified but now it's not was sending 1910 01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:43,070 was was bouncing signals off Soviet 1911 01:28:49,030 --> 01:28:45,130 satellites as it was passing over and 1912 01:28:51,910 --> 01:28:49,040 Paul was actually was able from his 1913 01:28:54,459 --> 01:28:51,920 house because of he was a scientist he 1914 01:28:58,990 --> 01:28:54,469 was in businesses he made a device that 1915 01:29:01,840 --> 01:28:59,000 would tap into that so when we found out 1916 01:29:02,950 --> 01:29:01,850 about it now NSA this is a confrontation 1917 01:29:05,500 --> 01:29:02,960 I talked about earlier 1918 01:29:08,169 --> 01:29:05,510 NSA started their own investigation 1919 01:29:11,260 --> 01:29:08,179 because just you can just imagine how 1920 01:29:14,740 --> 01:29:11,270 many heads turned in in Washington when 1921 01:29:17,620 --> 01:29:14,750 we found out a civilian could tap into 1922 01:29:21,220 --> 01:29:17,630 an NSA communications device anyways 1923 01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:21,230 what the what the the plan was and this 1924 01:29:28,780 --> 01:29:24,650 was created by OSI not me not Rick Doty 1925 01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:28,790 but OSI formulated a plan and Cedric 1926 01:29:36,459 --> 01:29:31,130 Doty implements its plan and this plan 1927 01:29:40,209 --> 01:29:36,469 was for me to convince Paul that what he 1928 01:29:45,550 --> 01:29:40,219 was actually obtaining in communications 1929 01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:45,560 was extraterrestrial now when I first 1930 01:29:49,030 --> 01:29:47,810 visited Paul bennewitz and interviewed 1931 01:29:53,410 --> 01:29:49,040 him after 1932 01:29:55,990 --> 01:29:53,420 reported the in this to major Edwards I 1933 01:29:57,910 --> 01:29:56,000 went out there with another agent the 1934 01:29:59,650 --> 01:29:57,920 Steve ad set and we sat down and talked 1935 01:30:02,650 --> 01:29:59,660 to him just obtained basic information 1936 01:30:04,300 --> 01:30:02,660 from me and he kept saying to us I have 1937 01:30:06,100 --> 01:30:04,310 a lot more to tell you I have a lot more 1938 01:30:10,390 --> 01:30:06,110 to tell you and I should know what this 1939 01:30:13,210 --> 01:30:10,400 penny would we just want to know we just 1940 01:30:15,940 --> 01:30:13,220 want to know what what you are doing as 1941 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ellen guiley and 2051 01:35:00,500 --> 01:34:57,820 you're listening to the podcast the gold 2052 01:35:18,190 --> 01:35:00,510 standard a paranormal radio 2053 01:35:25,220 --> 01:35:21,260 okay with bated breath we continue with 2054 01:35:27,610 --> 01:35:25,230 Rick Doty talking about his interactions 2055 01:35:29,630 --> 01:35:27,620 with Paul bennewitz go on please 2056 01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:29,640 during that first meeting we had with 2057 01:35:34,450 --> 01:35:31,650 Paul pocket telling us we get more 2058 01:35:36,620 --> 01:35:34,460 information more information so I I 2059 01:35:39,080 --> 01:35:36,630 agreed to go out to his house and look 2060 01:35:42,680 --> 01:35:39,090 at whatever yeah so a couple nights 2061 01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:42,690 later I went out with a person who had 2062 01:35:46,760 --> 01:35:44,970 scientific knowledge and also was a 2063 01:35:49,370 --> 01:35:46,770 former Bluebook investigators name was 2064 01:35:52,220 --> 01:35:49,380 Jerry Miller we went out to the his 2065 01:35:54,710 --> 01:35:52,230 house we actually had a dinner with him 2066 01:35:57,620 --> 01:35:54,720 and then he started showing us all this 2067 01:36:01,400 --> 01:35:57,630 equipment that he had he went into his 2068 01:36:05,810 --> 01:36:01,410 office upstairs and he had a computer 2069 01:36:10,070 --> 01:36:05,820 monitor and he he said I can pick up 2070 01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:10,080 extra terrestrial communications on this 2071 01:36:19,960 --> 01:36:13,290 computer monitor and everything that I'm 2072 01:36:23,030 --> 01:36:19,970 doing out here is I think involves keys 2073 01:36:25,880 --> 01:36:23,040 so I said well you know that's that's 2074 01:36:27,650 --> 01:36:25,890 amazing so we he allowed us to take some 2075 01:36:29,690 --> 01:36:27,660 pictures and get some other information 2076 01:36:32,450 --> 01:36:29,700 from him and I went back and I presented 2077 01:36:35,300 --> 01:36:32,460 that to to my supervisor wrote a report 2078 01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:35,310 sent to my supervisors and they come 2079 01:36:40,390 --> 01:36:37,770 back with a plan saying listen since 2080 01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:40,400 he's already believing this is UFOs 2081 01:36:45,440 --> 01:36:43,530 related just convincing that it is and 2082 01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:45,450 that what he's saying isn't something 2083 01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:48,330 that that the base is generating out 2084 01:36:54,290 --> 01:36:50,810 there is something it's extraterrestrial 2085 01:36:55,760 --> 01:36:54,300 so when I went back to him again I told 2086 01:36:57,980 --> 01:36:55,770 Paul I said you don't want Paul maybe 2087 01:37:01,040 --> 01:36:57,990 you really have connected with 2088 01:37:04,850 --> 01:37:01,050 extraterrestrials he was thoroughly 2089 01:37:07,130 --> 01:37:04,860 convinced that he he was so I didn't 2090 01:37:09,850 --> 01:37:07,140 have to do anything to convince him I 2091 01:37:12,770 --> 01:37:09,860 just had to agree that he was 2092 01:37:14,420 --> 01:37:12,780 communicated with communicating with ETS 2093 01:37:16,750 --> 01:37:14,430 you were leading him on then they 2094 01:37:19,790 --> 01:37:16,760 basically Rick you were leading him on 2095 01:37:22,760 --> 01:37:19,800 yeah I was leaving Matt I wasn't denying 2096 01:37:26,300 --> 01:37:22,770 it I wasn't telling him it wasn't but I 2097 01:37:29,300 --> 01:37:26,310 I would sit there and a lot of this has 2098 01:37:30,689 --> 01:37:29,310 been recorded so I know what I did and I 2099 01:37:32,489 --> 01:37:30,699 can prove later I mean it was 2100 01:37:34,140 --> 01:37:32,499 I knows what I did and I would just 2101 01:37:36,120 --> 01:37:34,150 listen to him that's the theory just 2102 01:37:38,549 --> 01:37:36,130 listen to him he would talk literally 2103 01:37:41,100 --> 01:37:38,559 for hours you you wouldn't have to say 2104 01:37:43,529 --> 01:37:41,110 word he would he would he would go into 2105 01:37:45,930 --> 01:37:43,539 this dissertation about what he did and 2106 01:37:48,390 --> 01:37:45,940 what he's doing and where these aliens 2107 01:37:51,689 --> 01:37:48,400 are from and what he's contact with he's 2108 01:37:53,310 --> 01:37:51,699 collected over over the I think it was 2109 01:37:57,330 --> 01:37:53,320 like a lot of months or something that 2110 01:38:00,270 --> 01:37:57,340 he had hidden doing this so I said wow 2111 01:38:02,669 --> 01:38:00,280 this is this is fascinating well in the 2112 01:38:04,799 --> 01:38:02,679 meantime I would go to the base I would 2113 01:38:07,350 --> 01:38:04,809 do a report after making contact with 2114 01:38:10,709 --> 01:38:07,360 him and I would then briefed my boss and 2115 01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:10,719 then I would have a meeting with the NSA 2116 01:38:15,660 --> 01:38:13,690 security people and I would brief them 2117 01:38:17,219 --> 01:38:15,670 because what they're and they're 2118 01:38:19,890 --> 01:38:17,229 involved in this obviously because of 2119 01:38:21,930 --> 01:38:19,900 the communications device but they never 2120 01:38:24,899 --> 01:38:21,940 once told me they were conducting their 2121 01:38:28,439 --> 01:38:24,909 own investigation hold me hold one night 2122 01:38:32,009 --> 01:38:28,449 rainy night in Albuquerque I was at 2123 01:38:34,129 --> 01:38:32,019 Paul's house with Jerry Miller and Paul 2124 01:38:36,449 --> 01:38:34,139 was going to actually do a contact and 2125 01:38:38,549 --> 01:38:36,459 actually communicate with the aliens and 2126 01:38:40,680 --> 01:38:38,559 we were there to do see this well I 2127 01:38:41,399 --> 01:38:40,690 looked across out his window off his 2128 01:38:43,080 --> 01:38:41,409 office window 2129 01:38:45,989 --> 01:38:43,090 I see this house across there's a house 2130 01:38:48,660 --> 01:38:45,999 right across the street big house 2131 01:38:50,969 --> 01:38:48,670 and there's I see the lights moving in 2132 01:38:52,949 --> 01:38:50,979 this in this window and I'm just staring 2133 01:38:56,129 --> 01:38:52,959 over at it and I asked Paul I said who 2134 01:38:59,089 --> 01:38:56,139 is over there Paul he said oh that's a 2135 01:39:01,500 --> 01:38:59,099 vacant house and I said that's fake I 2136 01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:01,510 can see red lights I see the lights 2137 01:39:08,160 --> 01:39:03,610 going on somebody maybe somebody broke 2138 01:39:10,739 --> 01:39:08,170 into it so myself and and Jerry Miller 2139 01:39:12,830 --> 01:39:10,749 went down and I walked around cast soup 2140 01:39:15,719 --> 01:39:12,840 around the house it was pouring rain and 2141 01:39:17,939 --> 01:39:15,729 I thought it was there's two cars parked 2142 01:39:20,370 --> 01:39:17,949 behind the house so I got the license 2143 01:39:22,049 --> 01:39:20,380 plates off the house I called I call 2144 01:39:24,299 --> 01:39:22,059 them the Albuquerque Police Department 2145 01:39:26,850 --> 01:39:24,309 and I asked for a registration check and 2146 01:39:30,029 --> 01:39:26,860 the plates and they told me they belong 2147 01:39:32,790 --> 01:39:30,039 to a rental company out of Colorado 2148 01:39:35,910 --> 01:39:32,800 Springs and that that really hurt my 2149 01:39:38,729 --> 01:39:35,920 curiosity and I said wow so I then 2150 01:39:40,109 --> 01:39:38,739 called a friend a detective of 2151 01:39:43,610 --> 01:39:40,119 Albuquerque Police Department that I 2152 01:39:46,460 --> 01:39:43,620 worked with and he came over 2153 01:39:50,180 --> 01:39:46,470 and we confronted the two men coming out 2154 01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:50,190 the other house and because we thought 2155 01:39:54,860 --> 01:39:51,570 they would broken in but lo and behold 2156 01:39:55,880 --> 01:39:54,870 they produced in si credentials and I 2157 01:39:57,830 --> 01:39:55,890 said what do you think was in here he 2158 01:39:59,960 --> 01:39:57,840 said none of your business what we're 2159 01:40:03,680 --> 01:39:59,970 doing here we're government agents who 2160 01:40:05,780 --> 01:40:03,690 learn and I said well are youse are you 2161 01:40:08,240 --> 01:40:05,790 spying on Paul bennewitz across the 2162 01:40:10,280 --> 01:40:08,250 street and he wouldn't say anything well 2163 01:40:11,720 --> 01:40:10,290 you know APD says well did you guys get 2164 01:40:13,700 --> 01:40:11,730 permission to be in this house yes we 2165 01:40:15,350 --> 01:40:13,710 did we rented it and they did they had a 2166 01:40:16,700 --> 01:40:15,360 rental agreement so they ran at the 2167 01:40:19,250 --> 01:40:16,710 house so there wasn't any crime 2168 01:40:21,050 --> 01:40:19,260 committed so when I went out to the base 2169 01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:21,060 a couple days later and I talked to one 2170 01:40:25,820 --> 01:40:23,610 of the chief of security out there for 2171 01:40:28,040 --> 01:40:25,830 NSA is I don't remember his first name 2172 01:40:31,010 --> 01:40:28,050 was because they changed often but his 2173 01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:31,020 last name was Chandler and they said 2174 01:40:34,790 --> 01:40:32,970 what's going on here you guys have an 2175 01:40:36,710 --> 01:40:34,800 investigation on Paul bennewitz we don't 2176 01:40:38,200 --> 01:40:36,720 know anything about it I said you guys 2177 01:40:40,580 --> 01:40:38,210 are interfering with our investigation 2178 01:40:43,430 --> 01:40:40,590 and you're gonna put a stop to this I'm 2179 01:40:45,140 --> 01:40:43,440 gonna go up down down and talk to the US 2180 01:40:48,440 --> 01:40:45,150 Attorney's Office about this this is 2181 01:40:50,510 --> 01:40:48,450 this is crap so so then he said well let 2182 01:40:54,290 --> 01:40:50,520 me get let me get some you know get you 2183 01:40:56,270 --> 01:40:54,300 cleared to get briefed into it and you 2184 01:40:57,740 --> 01:40:56,280 know I took about three weeks and 2185 01:41:00,680 --> 01:40:57,750 finally I was briefed in that they were 2186 01:41:03,110 --> 01:41:00,690 in conducting an investigation well the 2187 01:41:06,290 --> 01:41:03,120 problem is we were we were considered 2188 01:41:07,390 --> 01:41:06,300 federal agents we had we were we could 2189 01:41:10,820 --> 01:41:07,400 do these things 2190 01:41:13,490 --> 01:41:10,830 NSA didn't have a federal mandate to 2191 01:41:13,910 --> 01:41:13,500 investigate anybody inside the United 2192 01:41:16,940 --> 01:41:13,920 States 2193 01:41:18,920 --> 01:41:16,950 just like the CIA can't do that but we 2194 01:41:24,730 --> 01:41:18,930 found out later that these two guys were 2195 01:41:29,720 --> 01:41:24,740 actually I'm long to NSA from the FBI so 2196 01:41:32,090 --> 01:41:29,730 that's the competition well you know 2197 01:41:34,490 --> 01:41:32,100 there have been allegations Rick that 2198 01:41:38,330 --> 01:41:34,500 the Benowitz was literally driven crazy 2199 01:41:40,760 --> 01:41:38,340 with you know weird things like kinda 2200 01:41:42,980 --> 01:41:40,770 rearranging his furniture switching 2201 01:41:44,750 --> 01:41:42,990 items in his kitchen from one cabinet to 2202 01:41:47,150 --> 01:41:44,760 the other were you involved in anything 2203 01:41:50,810 --> 01:41:47,160 like that i administering drugs for 2204 01:41:52,850 --> 01:41:50,820 instance so do you think the NSA was 2205 01:41:55,970 --> 01:41:52,860 involved in doing doing things like that 2206 01:41:57,320 --> 01:41:55,980 now I can't speak for anything you might 2207 01:42:00,800 --> 01:41:57,330 you'd have to fight 2208 01:42:03,440 --> 01:42:00,810 somebody NSA to ask those questions by 2209 01:42:05,120 --> 01:42:03,450 OS I had absolutely nothing to do with 2210 01:42:08,900 --> 01:42:05,130 the furniture I know about the furniture 2211 01:42:13,400 --> 01:42:08,910 incident Paul called me it was on a 2212 01:42:15,680 --> 01:42:13,410 Sunday any they called me on my phone he 2213 01:42:17,570 --> 01:42:15,690 said I need to come out to my house 2214 01:42:19,130 --> 01:42:17,580 right away I said what's going on he 2215 01:42:19,880 --> 01:42:19,140 said I just need you Scout so I go out 2216 01:42:21,740 --> 01:42:19,890 there and I 2217 01:42:24,170 --> 01:42:21,750 I said you what's wrong Paul he said 2218 01:42:27,920 --> 01:42:24,180 look look at my furniture and what that 2219 01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:27,930 somebody had done was moved his all his 2220 01:42:32,480 --> 01:42:30,810 dining room furniture into the den and 2221 01:42:36,410 --> 01:42:32,490 moving all the den furniture into the 2222 01:42:38,870 --> 01:42:36,420 dining room and Paul says who did this 2223 01:42:41,180 --> 01:42:38,880 I said why I didn't do this and I don't 2224 01:42:42,440 --> 01:42:41,190 know who did this his wife was all upset 2225 01:42:44,510 --> 01:42:42,450 because she thought somebody broke into 2226 01:42:45,980 --> 01:42:44,520 the house and did this and I said well I 2227 01:42:47,810 --> 01:42:45,990 have no idea I didn't do that and then 2228 01:42:50,660 --> 01:42:47,820 of course Paul was convinced the aliens 2229 01:42:53,090 --> 01:42:50,670 did this well I didn't do it NSA would 2230 01:42:55,220 --> 01:42:53,100 have had had done it I never did any 2231 01:42:56,750 --> 01:42:55,230 kind of breaking to his residence I was 2232 01:42:58,940 --> 01:42:56,760 always cute I was accused of that his 2233 01:43:01,340 --> 01:42:58,950 son accused me of that that son excuse 2234 01:43:04,220 --> 01:43:01,350 me of changing the furniture around 2235 01:43:06,560 --> 01:43:04,230 Paul had a cabinet in the kitchen that 2236 01:43:09,080 --> 01:43:06,570 he had all his liquors in and Paul was a 2237 01:43:11,990 --> 01:43:09,090 drinker and somebody had taken those 2238 01:43:14,360 --> 01:43:12,000 those liquor al and moved it into 2239 01:43:16,850 --> 01:43:14,370 another cabinet above the refrigerator I 2240 01:43:18,950 --> 01:43:16,860 didn't do that I didn't even know he had 2241 01:43:21,170 --> 01:43:18,960 a cabinet with with the liquor in it so 2242 01:43:31,280 --> 01:43:21,180 I think his wife was trying to get him 2243 01:43:32,900 --> 01:43:31,290 to stop drinking and moved it let me ask 2244 01:43:35,780 --> 01:43:32,910 you a question quickly which occurs to 2245 01:43:39,140 --> 01:43:35,790 me now the book from Greg Bishop project 2246 01:43:42,220 --> 01:43:39,150 beta does that accurately reflect this 2247 01:43:47,030 --> 01:43:42,230 story or is she got these things wrong I 2248 01:43:50,930 --> 01:43:47,040 had a conversation with with him with 2249 01:43:55,100 --> 01:43:50,940 bishop about this and he was right he 2250 01:43:57,290 --> 01:43:55,110 was gonna write a book he'd sent me part 2251 01:43:58,730 --> 01:43:57,300 of the manuscript you didn't didn't send 2252 01:44:01,700 --> 01:43:58,740 me the whole thing it was like half a 2253 01:44:04,310 --> 01:44:01,710 manuscript and then there were notes and 2254 01:44:05,180 --> 01:44:04,320 I and I I went through it and I crossed 2255 01:44:07,460 --> 01:44:05,190 out and 2256 01:44:09,860 --> 01:44:07,470 redlined it and I sent it back to him 2257 01:44:11,060 --> 01:44:09,870 and then he published a book without 2258 01:44:15,589 --> 01:44:11,070 ever changing well I did 2259 01:44:17,660 --> 01:44:15,599 changing the whole lot but he had some 2260 01:44:22,850 --> 01:44:17,670 of this right but he doesn't have all of 2261 01:44:24,680 --> 01:44:22,860 it right the the incident that I one of 2262 01:44:28,729 --> 01:44:24,690 the things I did I became friends with 2263 01:44:30,500 --> 01:44:28,739 Paw Paw invited my wife and myself over 2264 01:44:33,350 --> 01:44:30,510 to the house for dinner we went out to 2265 01:44:35,899 --> 01:44:33,360 dinner when this was all over with I 2266 01:44:39,379 --> 01:44:35,909 said I want Paul and told him the truth 2267 01:44:41,120 --> 01:44:39,389 I told him the truth and this was four 2268 01:44:42,649 --> 01:44:41,130 years three years late for four years 2269 01:44:43,970 --> 01:44:42,659 later and Paul didn't 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01:48:17,060 episode that might have been handled 2340 01:48:21,850 --> 01:48:18,980 better because it doesn't sound like it 2341 01:48:23,560 --> 01:48:21,860 was handled all that well well was it 2342 01:48:26,800 --> 01:48:23,570 what's handle as far as the government 2343 01:48:29,169 --> 01:48:26,810 went he he never published anything he 2344 01:48:31,590 --> 01:48:29,179 didn't go to the press and say hey you 2345 01:48:35,530 --> 01:48:31,600 know I tapped into a classified NSA 2346 01:48:44,439 --> 01:48:35,540 communications device data Kirtland we 2347 01:48:47,200 --> 01:48:44,449 kept it under cover and but what did 2348 01:48:50,820 --> 01:48:47,210 come out Rick as a result of his 2349 01:48:53,200 --> 01:48:50,830 deflection of his interest of to Dulce 2350 01:48:56,320 --> 01:48:53,210 including the infamous helicopter flight 2351 01:48:59,620 --> 01:48:56,330 with captain Edwards where supposedly 2352 01:49:01,930 --> 01:48:59,630 there was actually a flyby why was he 2353 01:49:04,689 --> 01:49:01,940 flown up there why was he told things 2354 01:49:07,810 --> 01:49:04,699 about Dulce and Archuleta Mesa that he 2355 01:49:11,590 --> 01:49:07,820 became totally not only fascinated by 2356 01:49:14,890 --> 01:49:11,600 but obsessed with my good friend and 2357 01:49:16,959 --> 01:49:14,900 fellow researcher Ron Regehr has quite a 2358 01:49:19,240 --> 01:49:16,969 number of letters handwritten letters 2359 01:49:21,910 --> 01:49:19,250 from bennewitz that was all predicated 2360 01:49:24,370 --> 01:49:21,920 on his attention being diverted from 2361 01:49:26,950 --> 01:49:24,380 Kirtland up to the Dulce area where he 2362 01:49:28,660 --> 01:49:26,960 then started I guess obsessing with the 2363 01:49:31,620 --> 01:49:28,670 whole idea of an alien base underneath 2364 01:49:35,890 --> 01:49:31,630 air crashed craft on the top of the Mesa 2365 01:49:39,340 --> 01:49:35,900 which has now spawned almost a cottage 2366 01:49:41,709 --> 01:49:39,350 industry of Dulce base whistleblowers 2367 01:49:44,800 --> 01:49:41,719 and confabulate errs as far as I'm 2368 01:49:47,680 --> 01:49:44,810 concerned about that particular part of 2369 01:49:50,200 --> 01:49:47,690 New Mexico what was the thinking and who 2370 01:49:53,470 --> 01:49:50,210 was behind the diversion of his 2371 01:49:56,140 --> 01:49:53,480 attention up to Dulce well Paul he was a 2372 01:49:58,720 --> 01:49:56,150 pilot and Paul flew his private plane 2373 01:50:02,920 --> 01:49:58,730 and observe to observe and 2374 01:50:05,410 --> 01:50:02,930 our to automation the Air Force took in 2375 01:50:07,330 --> 01:50:05,420 their first he would not have gone up 2376 01:50:10,660 --> 01:50:07,340 there on his own unless you guys had 2377 01:50:13,480 --> 01:50:10,670 diverted his attention there no that's 2378 01:50:17,740 --> 01:50:13,490 not true absolutely not true that's 2379 01:50:20,650 --> 01:50:17,750 absolutely wrong I would know and he he 2380 01:50:23,020 --> 01:50:20,660 told us a number of times in fact the 2381 01:50:25,480 --> 01:50:23,030 first briefing we our first time we met 2382 01:50:28,210 --> 01:50:25,490 him at his house he's shown this picture 2383 01:50:30,760 --> 01:50:28,220 yeah Donna's wall above this computer of 2384 01:50:33,010 --> 01:50:30,770 these pictures and and Jerry Miller 2385 01:50:35,350 --> 01:50:33,020 asked him where are those would you 2386 01:50:37,930 --> 01:50:35,360 think those and Paul said I'm a pilot I 2387 01:50:40,720 --> 01:50:37,940 took there was a Archuleta Mesa that's 2388 01:50:42,910 --> 01:50:40,730 where the UFO base is that and I looked 2389 01:50:45,010 --> 01:50:42,920 at him like you know I do you know where 2390 01:50:46,750 --> 01:50:45,020 Archuleta Mesa was at that time I said 2391 01:50:48,910 --> 01:50:46,760 we're talking about Paul and he told us 2392 01:50:50,680 --> 01:50:48,920 and he showed us on a map okay and then 2393 01:50:53,410 --> 01:50:50,690 we didn't didn't ask him anything about 2394 01:50:56,680 --> 01:50:53,420 that until sometime later when he 2395 01:50:58,450 --> 01:50:56,690 brought it up again to us that he had 2396 01:51:01,900 --> 01:50:58,460 recently went up there with this other 2397 01:51:04,810 --> 01:51:01,910 person he met a state police officer up 2398 01:51:09,190 --> 01:51:04,820 there and the state police officer 2399 01:51:11,530 --> 01:51:09,200 showed him things he's gay bill that I 2400 01:51:14,560 --> 01:51:11,540 know Gabe and I had talked to Gabe and 2401 01:51:17,770 --> 01:51:14,570 the number of times he's deceased now 2402 01:51:19,510 --> 01:51:17,780 but before he died so you're saying I 2403 01:51:21,910 --> 01:51:19,520 know what's his interest in Archuleta 2404 01:51:24,640 --> 01:51:21,920 Mesa had nothing to do with your 2405 01:51:26,740 --> 01:51:24,650 particular involvement with him that 2406 01:51:29,340 --> 01:51:26,750 this was all done on his end and then he 2407 01:51:38,550 --> 01:51:29,350 brought you into this based on his 2408 01:51:41,980 --> 01:51:38,560 theories about the about the area okay 2409 01:51:44,200 --> 01:51:41,990 we did go I went up there with me and 2410 01:51:46,510 --> 01:51:44,210 another one of our pilots we had a we 2411 01:51:50,260 --> 01:51:46,520 had a Air Force OSI agent that was a 2412 01:51:52,870 --> 01:51:50,270 pilot and we flew up there and we landed 2413 01:51:56,080 --> 01:51:52,880 at an airstrip and we got a vehicle and 2414 01:52:00,070 --> 01:51:56,090 drove over and we drove around it and 2415 01:52:02,440 --> 01:52:00,080 Paul then told us that we need to be up 2416 01:52:04,810 --> 01:52:02,450 here at night so I said listen this is 2417 01:52:07,180 --> 01:52:04,820 us just stay up here and see if we could 2418 01:52:09,640 --> 01:52:07,190 see anything so we did we stayed up 2419 01:52:12,070 --> 01:52:09,650 there and we did we saw helicopters come 2420 01:52:12,540 --> 01:52:12,080 in we see all this activity on the top 2421 01:52:15,000 --> 01:52:12,550 of 2422 01:52:18,210 --> 01:52:15,010 Archuleta Mesa which which made me think 2423 01:52:20,580 --> 01:52:18,220 what the heck's going on here so the 2424 01:52:22,350 --> 01:52:20,590 next day when we went back I started 2425 01:52:24,900 --> 01:52:22,360 checking into it I thought what the heck 2426 01:52:27,570 --> 01:52:24,910 could be helicopters flying all over 2427 01:52:29,820 --> 01:52:27,580 there so I made a lot of inquires that 2428 01:52:31,770 --> 01:52:29,830 took me some time to figure out but I 2429 01:52:34,320 --> 01:52:31,780 finally contacted Fort Carson Colorado 2430 01:52:37,410 --> 01:52:34,330 and asked them that they had a training 2431 01:52:39,770 --> 01:52:37,420 facility in New Mexico and the the 2432 01:52:43,260 --> 01:52:39,780 person that I spoke to was one of the 2433 01:52:45,720 --> 01:52:43,270 operations officer for a flight unit up 2434 01:52:47,880 --> 01:52:45,730 there and he said well I can't really 2435 01:52:50,700 --> 01:52:47,890 discuss this on phone so anyways I went 2436 01:52:55,050 --> 01:52:50,710 up there I went temporary duty up to 2437 01:52:56,970 --> 01:52:55,060 Fort Carson I had to submit a security 2438 01:52:59,160 --> 01:52:56,980 clearance request and I threw the army 2439 01:53:00,660 --> 01:52:59,170 anyways I went up there and they sat 2440 01:53:02,460 --> 01:53:00,670 down and showed me what they had and 2441 01:53:04,710 --> 01:53:02,470 they had a training facility with policy 2442 01:53:06,240 --> 01:53:04,720 up there on that Salado Mesa they've had 2443 01:53:09,090 --> 01:53:06,250 that for a number of years and they 2444 01:53:12,480 --> 01:53:09,100 trained Special Forces there and what 2445 01:53:14,910 --> 01:53:12,490 what we saw and what Paul saw is in the 2446 01:53:16,950 --> 01:53:14,920 ground they had these spotlights built 2447 01:53:19,680 --> 01:53:16,960 under on the ground that was would shine 2448 01:53:22,800 --> 01:53:19,690 up and it would be for the aircraft to 2449 01:53:26,220 --> 01:53:22,810 navigate to a point the McCullough point 2450 01:53:28,110 --> 01:53:26,230 navigation and we saw those lights and 2451 01:53:31,140 --> 01:53:28,120 it made me think that there was 2452 01:53:37,830 --> 01:53:31,150 something extraterrestrial - then we 2453 01:53:39,360 --> 01:53:37,840 figured it out and yeah this makes 2454 01:53:40,980 --> 01:53:39,370 perfect sense I've been saying that 2455 01:53:42,420 --> 01:53:40,990 that's a training ground up there for 2456 01:53:44,370 --> 01:53:42,430 quite a while it just makes the most 2457 01:53:46,470 --> 01:53:44,380 sense and so that's pretty much a 2458 01:53:48,990 --> 01:53:46,480 confirmation of the whole thing if it's 2459 01:53:52,380 --> 01:53:49,000 true let me ask you this question - like 2460 01:53:53,730 --> 01:53:52,390 when Paul was going to introduce you to 2461 01:53:55,080 --> 01:53:53,740 some of the evidence some of the 2462 01:53:58,050 --> 01:53:55,090 recordings some of the actual 2463 01:54:00,540 --> 01:53:58,060 communications did you ever get to hear 2464 01:54:04,380 --> 01:54:00,550 any of the communications or see the 2465 01:54:06,960 --> 01:54:04,390 actual transmitter on the base yes okay 2466 01:54:09,270 --> 01:54:06,970 so you actually know for sure that he 2467 01:54:13,440 --> 01:54:09,280 was picking up this base transmitter and 2468 01:54:15,200 --> 01:54:13,450 that it was just a mistake and that he 2469 01:54:17,790 --> 01:54:15,210 wasn't actually picking up anything 2470 01:54:19,650 --> 01:54:17,800 extraterrestrial then I was a lot more 2471 01:54:21,600 --> 01:54:19,660 complicated than that and I'm not a 2472 01:54:24,510 --> 01:54:21,610 technical person but I was fast through 2473 01:54:26,459 --> 01:54:24,520 a briefing on it at NSA and explained 2474 01:54:29,509 --> 01:54:26,469 exactly how they 2475 01:54:32,399 --> 01:54:29,519 doing this and how they were sending 2476 01:54:34,979 --> 01:54:32,409 signals up and and what the signals were 2477 01:54:37,080 --> 01:54:34,989 and what wavelength and all that these 2478 01:54:41,399 --> 01:54:37,090 digital burst transmissions early 2479 01:54:43,350 --> 01:54:41,409 digital burst type transmissions yeah 2480 01:54:45,180 --> 01:54:43,360 they were they had two different ways of 2481 01:54:48,089 --> 01:54:45,190 doing it they had one with a laser they 2482 01:54:50,219 --> 01:54:48,099 would do they would they would call that 2483 01:54:52,379 --> 01:54:50,229 they would blind blind shoot they would 2484 01:54:54,029 --> 01:54:52,389 shoot a laser up with the Soviets they'd 2485 01:54:56,549 --> 01:54:54,039 know exactly when the Soviet satellite 2486 01:55:04,259 --> 01:54:56,559 would be at a certain point in the sky 2487 01:55:06,390 --> 01:55:04,269 and when that they would shoot a laser 2488 01:55:09,600 --> 01:55:06,400 up and it would blind temporary the 2489 01:55:14,489 --> 01:55:09,610 blind the the camera and then they would 2490 01:55:17,850 --> 01:55:14,499 shoot a pulsing that burst first pulse 2491 01:55:20,250 --> 01:55:17,860 up and to hit something an antenna or 2492 01:55:22,859 --> 01:55:20,260 whatever and it would bring that same 2493 01:55:25,049 --> 01:55:22,869 signal back down to the ground and then 2494 01:55:27,419 --> 01:55:25,059 NSA could then decode it there's Howard 2495 01:55:31,350 --> 01:55:27,429 whatever they did later with it and that 2496 01:55:33,209 --> 01:55:31,360 that's what it was explained to me okay 2497 01:55:36,270 --> 01:55:33,219 but you never actually heard that on 2498 01:55:43,830 --> 01:55:36,280 bennewitz a system it's just yeah oh 2499 01:55:46,339 --> 01:55:43,840 yeah you did what did it sound like do 2500 01:55:49,770 --> 01:55:46,349 you could you make out anything specific 2501 01:55:51,600 --> 01:55:49,780 yeah I mean it depends on what how you 2502 01:55:53,640 --> 01:55:51,610 interpret it you know it's like 2503 01:55:55,290 --> 01:55:53,650 everybody could hear it and I would hear 2504 01:55:56,939 --> 01:55:55,300 it and somebody else would hear it and 2505 01:55:59,520 --> 01:55:56,949 you'd say well that sounds like somebody 2506 01:56:03,109 --> 01:55:59,530 trying to talk I'd say it's just sound 2507 01:56:06,109 --> 01:56:03,119 like garbling intermittent garbling and 2508 01:56:11,549 --> 01:56:06,119 somebody might say sounds just like a 2509 01:56:14,700 --> 01:56:11,559 signal some kind of signal so I I heard 2510 01:56:17,850 --> 01:56:14,710 it Jerry Miller heard it we recorded it 2511 01:56:21,509 --> 01:56:17,860 in fact he had this reel-to-reel tape 2512 01:56:23,489 --> 01:56:21,519 recorder this old Sony or whatever it 2513 01:56:26,250 --> 01:56:23,499 was he would record everything on that 2514 01:56:28,140 --> 01:56:26,260 and he would give us the discs and we 2515 01:56:29,879 --> 01:56:28,150 would go back and we would you know 2516 01:56:31,529 --> 01:56:29,889 listen to it then we'd send it up to our 2517 01:56:34,350 --> 01:56:31,539 headquarters I'm sure I went with it and 2518 01:56:38,310 --> 01:56:34,360 I say after that but you could listen to 2519 01:56:40,470 --> 01:56:38,320 it and you could hear things never 2520 01:56:43,590 --> 01:56:40,480 actually sounded like language to me 2521 01:56:47,010 --> 01:56:43,600 but Paul actually over the period of 2522 01:56:48,750 --> 01:56:47,020 time had written down when he bought the 2523 01:56:50,100 --> 01:56:48,760 language would be or what they were 2524 01:56:56,430 --> 01:56:50,110 playing at a glance 2525 01:56:59,250 --> 01:56:56,440 so was that audio parody Leah okay a 2526 01:57:01,230 --> 01:56:59,260 quick change change of subject here 2527 01:57:03,210 --> 01:57:01,240 you've mentioned Colorado on three 2528 01:57:05,520 --> 01:57:03,220 occasions here I don't know how much you 2529 01:57:08,490 --> 01:57:05,530 know about my work but I spent quite a 2530 01:57:11,370 --> 01:57:08,500 number of years 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02:02:21,360 Guard helicopter they were flying the 2655 02:02:28,130 --> 02:02:25,880 mission and a weekend in that area from 2656 02:02:32,060 --> 02:02:28,140 one place to another I can't remember 2657 02:02:37,760 --> 02:02:32,070 the exact locations but but it was in 2658 02:02:41,720 --> 02:02:37,770 the summer I believe of 82 or III but it 2659 02:02:45,740 --> 02:02:41,730 was a Huey uh-1n National Guard 2660 02:02:46,550 --> 02:02:45,750 helicopter and two pilots in it pilot 2661 02:02:47,780 --> 02:02:46,560 and co-pilot 2662 02:02:50,590 --> 02:02:47,790 and they were flying and they 2663 02:02:53,450 --> 02:02:50,600 encountered a crash something in the 2664 02:02:55,430 --> 02:02:53,460 copilot took a picture of it he had a 2665 02:02:58,010 --> 02:02:55,440 camera with him and he always took this 2666 02:02:59,660 --> 02:02:58,020 camera every time he flew and he would 2667 02:03:01,850 --> 02:02:59,670 just take pictures of the ground and 2668 02:03:05,030 --> 02:03:01,860 there were the helicopter or whatever 2669 02:03:07,130 --> 02:03:05,040 and he actually had a camera was a it 2670 02:03:09,680 --> 02:03:07,140 was Canon 81 a pretty good camera back 2671 02:03:13,580 --> 02:03:09,690 then and he took a number of pictures of 2672 02:03:16,370 --> 02:03:13,590 this of this craft in fact the craft 2673 02:03:18,700 --> 02:03:16,380 flew above the helicopter which forced 2674 02:03:19,850 --> 02:03:18,710 you know anything about flight 2675 02:03:24,680 --> 02:03:19,860 helicopter 2676 02:03:28,400 --> 02:03:24,690 to have lifts and flu causing the 2677 02:03:30,590 --> 02:03:28,410 helicopter to go downwards not crash or 2678 02:03:33,740 --> 02:03:30,600 anything but but the pilot had to make 2679 02:03:35,930 --> 02:03:33,750 evasive maneuver and actually landed it 2680 02:03:38,960 --> 02:03:35,940 landed on the ground I believe it was 2681 02:03:41,930 --> 02:03:38,970 near the point of this yeah think of me 2682 02:03:42,980 --> 02:03:41,940 now think of it anyways and so they were 2683 02:03:45,350 --> 02:03:42,990 all startled by it 2684 02:03:47,930 --> 02:03:45,360 well then they reported it - they took 2685 02:03:50,060 --> 02:03:47,940 back I flew there the base reported it 2686 02:03:53,150 --> 02:03:50,070 to their people eventually they got back 2687 02:03:56,480 --> 02:03:53,160 to us I went up there I interviewed both 2688 02:03:58,670 --> 02:03:56,490 pilot both both pilots were both 2689 02:04:01,250 --> 02:03:58,680 helicopter pilots were commercial pilots 2690 02:04:04,310 --> 02:04:01,260 you know there's weekend warriors but 2691 02:04:06,740 --> 02:04:04,320 and they they never seen anything flying 2692 02:04:08,900 --> 02:04:06,750 before like that never encountered 2693 02:04:12,190 --> 02:04:08,910 anything but the pictures that they had 2694 02:04:15,710 --> 02:04:12,200 that I sent to headquarters we robbed a 2695 02:04:17,810 --> 02:04:15,720 saucer-shaped tactic and he said this 2696 02:04:19,520 --> 02:04:17,820 thing followed them around they couldn't 2697 02:04:21,020 --> 02:04:19,530 they couldn't they tried to evade it and 2698 02:04:23,690 --> 02:04:21,030 it would be behind them it would be 2699 02:04:28,550 --> 02:04:23,700 above them you'd be blow him and he said 2700 02:04:30,380 --> 02:04:28,560 eventually it went off towards - so 2701 02:04:33,110 --> 02:04:30,390 watch so watch a place called so watch 2702 02:04:36,110 --> 02:04:33,120 and he was convinced that landed and so 2703 02:04:39,710 --> 02:04:36,120 watch now if you're aware of where's the 2704 02:04:42,560 --> 02:04:39,720 watches in Colorado we went over there 2705 02:04:45,350 --> 02:04:42,570 we snooped around there we want the pass 2706 02:04:48,040 --> 02:04:45,360 I think was Buffalo pass and looked on I 2707 02:04:51,320 --> 02:04:48,050 didn't even coach it oh right 2708 02:04:55,730 --> 02:04:51,330 coach dope-ass okay yeah they go anyways 2709 02:04:59,960 --> 02:04:55,740 that's the only case I ever handled in 2710 02:05:02,570 --> 02:04:59,970 Colorado involving this and we had no 2711 02:05:05,030 --> 02:05:02,580 answer for it imagine what it was I mean 2712 02:05:07,060 --> 02:05:05,040 these pictures were very very very clear 2713 02:05:11,210 --> 02:05:07,070 pictures 2714 02:05:13,640 --> 02:05:11,220 unfortunately we he asked us to give him 2715 02:05:20,600 --> 02:05:13,650 copies I promised him but I never did 2716 02:05:23,300 --> 02:05:20,610 because olace I said no that sounds 2717 02:05:26,120 --> 02:05:23,310 stupid what about the cattle mutilation 2718 02:05:27,740 --> 02:05:26,130 the scenario and that mystery have you 2719 02:05:31,310 --> 02:05:27,750 ever been involved in any way shape or 2720 02:05:34,040 --> 02:05:31,320 form in investigating that particular 2721 02:05:36,470 --> 02:05:34,050 mr. e or have you heard of anything 2722 02:05:39,950 --> 02:05:36,480 relating to official interest in that 2723 02:05:42,560 --> 02:05:39,960 subject I know that there was two OSI 2724 02:05:45,259 --> 02:05:42,570 agents assigned in Los Alamos 2725 02:05:48,759 --> 02:05:45,269 Laboratories they conducted 2726 02:05:50,779 --> 02:05:48,769 investigations up there mostly 2727 02:05:53,000 --> 02:05:50,789 suitability and espionage and things 2728 02:05:55,189 --> 02:05:53,010 like that but but they were they had 2729 02:05:57,410 --> 02:05:55,199 been briefed into the program I had a 2730 02:05:59,089 --> 02:05:57,420 training session up at Los Alamos once 2731 02:06:01,720 --> 02:05:59,099 with both of these agents we were in 2732 02:06:04,189 --> 02:06:01,730 same room there's probably 10 agents and 2733 02:06:10,189 --> 02:06:04,199 it was nothing had nothing to do with 2734 02:06:12,950 --> 02:06:10,199 UFOs and and when we had a break I I 2735 02:06:14,569 --> 02:06:12,960 mentioned to one of them or they met 2736 02:06:18,290 --> 02:06:14,579 actually one of them mentioned to me I 2737 02:06:22,819 --> 02:06:18,300 understand you know Linda Howell and I 2738 02:06:24,350 --> 02:06:22,829 said yeah yeah I know Linda and they 2739 02:06:26,379 --> 02:06:24,360 kind of laughed looked at each other in 2740 02:06:29,959 --> 02:06:26,389 laughs and I said why you know you know 2741 02:06:32,600 --> 02:06:29,969 he said oh we know all about that cattle 2742 02:06:36,470 --> 02:06:32,610 mutilations and that was the only thing 2743 02:06:38,600 --> 02:06:36,480 and and I took it that they knew a lot 2744 02:06:40,100 --> 02:06:38,610 about it but I don't know what they 2745 02:06:42,200 --> 02:06:40,110 meant by that and I never had an 2746 02:06:44,899 --> 02:06:42,210 opportunity to question about it again 2747 02:06:49,270 --> 02:06:44,909 that but me personally I never had any 2748 02:06:52,580 --> 02:06:49,280 cases involving cattle mutilations or I 2749 02:06:55,689 --> 02:06:52,590 listened to Jay Bell there's talk about 2750 02:06:59,000 --> 02:06:55,699 him and in show and yet a scrapbook 2751 02:07:01,430 --> 02:06:59,010 photo album over of what he'd taken but 2752 02:07:03,410 --> 02:07:01,440 other than that I never had anything do 2753 02:07:06,020 --> 02:07:03,420 them we've got a couple more questions 2754 02:07:08,569 --> 02:07:06,030 from our forum participants if that's 2755 02:07:09,919 --> 02:07:08,579 okay we've got one from guest Ron this 2756 02:07:12,350 --> 02:07:09,929 is just shifting gears a little bit 2757 02:07:15,140 --> 02:07:12,360 guest Ron asks is it true that you acted 2758 02:07:18,049 --> 02:07:15,150 as a consultant on the x-files not 2759 02:07:19,790 --> 02:07:18,059 directly no I wrote some I'm not 2760 02:07:22,810 --> 02:07:19,800 professional scriptwriter but I wrote 2761 02:07:25,729 --> 02:07:22,820 some stories for the x-files and 2762 02:07:28,819 --> 02:07:25,739 somebody took him and gave him the Chris 2763 02:07:31,640 --> 02:07:28,829 Carter so I didn't directly work for the 2764 02:07:37,129 --> 02:07:31,650 x-files but they use some of the things 2765 02:07:40,069 --> 02:07:37,139 I wrote liquid mj-12 death okay cool 2766 02:07:43,520 --> 02:07:40,079 were you paid for them this guy paid me 2767 02:07:44,930 --> 02:07:43,530 yes he was a independent writer he wrote 2768 02:07:48,320 --> 02:07:44,940 he wrote or Hebrew 2769 02:07:54,800 --> 02:07:48,330 I did information for a number of movie 2770 02:07:57,320 --> 02:07:54,810 scripts and in TV programs he did some 2771 02:08:00,020 --> 02:07:57,330 things for the History Channel so so I 2772 02:08:02,209 --> 02:08:00,030 think he did you work for he was a 2773 02:08:09,439 --> 02:08:02,219 broker of the information again I'm not 2774 02:08:12,260 --> 02:08:09,449 quite sure how yeah I mean you are an 2775 02:08:15,110 --> 02:08:12,270 amazing wealth of information and your 2776 02:08:18,709 --> 02:08:15,120 work history would would suggest that in 2777 02:08:21,470 --> 02:08:18,719 a book about your time in OS I would 2778 02:08:22,850 --> 02:08:21,480 make a really amazing book and possibly 2779 02:08:26,260 --> 02:08:22,860 even a great screenplay have you ever 2780 02:08:30,170 --> 02:08:26,270 considered that I've written screenplays 2781 02:08:34,240 --> 02:08:30,180 but I I backed I've written one just 2782 02:08:38,840 --> 02:08:34,250 recently I can't talk about it and I I 2783 02:08:42,020 --> 02:08:38,850 have written with another person some 2784 02:08:47,540 --> 02:08:42,030 science fiction book I did I wrote a 2785 02:08:49,729 --> 02:08:47,550 book manuscript book in 2010 took me 2786 02:08:52,580 --> 02:08:49,739 about three years to write a couple 2787 02:08:55,610 --> 02:08:52,590 people helped me and it was a tell-all 2788 02:08:59,780 --> 02:08:55,620 type of book and I had to submit it to 2789 02:09:02,540 --> 02:08:59,790 the air force for approval and I 2790 02:09:05,720 --> 02:09:02,550 submitted it and I didn't hear anything 2791 02:09:08,240 --> 02:09:05,730 I kept calling and air force finally 2792 02:09:11,630 --> 02:09:08,250 sent me a letter which I think art Bell 2793 02:09:17,689 --> 02:09:11,640 had put put up on close to KO site we 2794 02:09:19,700 --> 02:09:17,699 said that year that we had to censor 2795 02:09:23,140 --> 02:09:19,710 your manuscript and they would send it 2796 02:09:28,189 --> 02:09:23,150 back to me when I got it back I out of 2797 02:09:32,620 --> 02:09:28,199 300 and I think was 347 pages there were 2798 02:09:41,360 --> 02:09:37,540 this is worse than the Democratic memo 2799 02:09:44,030 --> 02:09:41,370 from the about the FISA warrants you 2800 02:09:45,439 --> 02:09:44,040 know it's like all all black down you 2801 02:09:48,170 --> 02:09:45,449 know I want to talk about more of this 2802 02:09:51,110 --> 02:09:48,180 and Chris and I on and Randall I'm gonna 2803 02:09:52,640 --> 02:09:51,120 ask you an interesting question because 2804 02:09:55,160 --> 02:09:52,650 we only have two seconds left it's 2805 02:09:57,020 --> 02:09:55,170 really move that fast and 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02:14:20,350 free faster than you ever thought 2916 02:14:24,780 --> 02:14:22,510 possible without debt consolidation or 2917 02:14:27,090 --> 02:14:24,790 bankruptcy we depend on your success and 2918 02:14:40,280 --> 02:14:27,100 offer a guarantee so there's no risk for 2919 02:14:47,729 --> 02:14:44,689 [Music] 2920 02:14:50,009 --> 02:14:47,739 this is the wrong flower cluster of the 2921 02:14:57,239 --> 02:14:50,019 up one cycle feed in other books you're 2922 02:15:00,270 --> 02:14:57,249 listening to the parent cap okay I asked 2923 02:15:02,850 --> 02:15:00,280 the question the cliffhanger who or what 2924 02:15:05,580 --> 02:15:02,860 is falcon and why have you sometimes 2925 02:15:08,310 --> 02:15:05,590 been identified as that individual well 2926 02:15:10,739 --> 02:15:08,320 first of all I'm not talking I wasn't 2927 02:15:12,149 --> 02:15:10,749 involved in naming the aviary and 2928 02:15:14,549 --> 02:15:12,159 nothing to do with the fact that a juror 2929 02:15:17,879 --> 02:15:14,559 was out months before I ever knew who 2930 02:15:21,180 --> 02:15:17,889 was supposed to be who but the actual 2931 02:15:23,910 --> 02:15:21,190 Falcon the person that was referred by 2932 02:15:26,189 --> 02:15:23,920 Bill Moore as Falcon and named actually 2933 02:15:28,439 --> 02:15:26,199 by Bill Moore and somebody that Bill 2934 02:15:30,299 --> 02:15:28,449 Moore knew and somebody that I knew very 2935 02:15:33,660 --> 02:15:30,309 very very well because my dad knew he 2936 02:15:36,359 --> 02:15:33,670 was Richard Helms the former director of 2937 02:15:39,390 --> 02:15:36,369 Central Intelligence Richard Helms was 2938 02:15:44,970 --> 02:15:39,400 the Falcon so to speak that they 2939 02:15:47,189 --> 02:15:44,980 codenamed not me I wish I'd been but but 2940 02:15:50,129 --> 02:15:47,199 no it wasn't me absolutely not 2941 02:15:53,149 --> 02:15:50,139 people accused me of it I mean I think 2942 02:15:56,189 --> 02:15:53,159 there's like two chapters and somebody's 2943 02:15:58,830 --> 02:15:56,199 fantasy UFO book about me being Falcon 2944 02:16:01,080 --> 02:15:58,840 and all tracing me from point A to point 2945 02:16:03,149 --> 02:16:01,090 B and all that stuff which is absolutely 2946 02:16:04,739 --> 02:16:03,159 belonging there was also referenced in 2947 02:16:07,049 --> 02:16:04,749 one manuscript I have I haven't finished 2948 02:16:09,750 --> 02:16:07,059 yet where they're talking about the 2949 02:16:12,029 --> 02:16:09,760 aviary and people involved it and they 2950 02:16:13,790 --> 02:16:12,039 even mentioned Bill Moore as somehow 2951 02:16:18,000 --> 02:16:13,800 being involved from some kind of 2952 02:16:21,060 --> 02:16:18,010 operation to handle the Soviets and the 2953 02:16:22,109 --> 02:16:21,070 Soviet threat during the Cold War what's 2954 02:16:25,560 --> 02:16:22,119 that all about yeah 2955 02:16:29,759 --> 02:16:25,570 that's true one of the first contacts I 2956 02:16:33,150 --> 02:16:29,769 had would bill more involved a counter 2957 02:16:35,129 --> 02:16:33,160 espionage operation bill Moore had a pen 2958 02:16:38,099 --> 02:16:35,139 pal in the Soviet Union who was a 2959 02:16:41,669 --> 02:16:38,109 scientist bill Moore would write his pen 2960 02:16:44,219 --> 02:16:41,679 pal letters once a month or every six 2961 02:16:46,620 --> 02:16:44,229 weeks or eight weeks back and forth bill 2962 02:16:49,740 --> 02:16:46,630 could speak and write some some Russian 2963 02:16:50,400 --> 02:16:49,750 actually pretty good at it and we got 2964 02:16:52,860 --> 02:16:50,410 wind of it 2965 02:16:55,500 --> 02:16:52,870 we knew we the intelligence community 2966 02:16:56,280 --> 02:16:55,510 knew bill Moore had this contact now I'm 2967 02:16:58,169 --> 02:16:56,290 not gonna eat 2968 02:17:00,330 --> 02:16:58,179 how we knew but you know put two and two 2969 02:17:02,400 --> 02:17:00,340 together you figured out anyways we knew 2970 02:17:03,930 --> 02:17:02,410 and then I approached Bill and asked him 2971 02:17:05,810 --> 02:17:03,940 about it and I asked him if he would 2972 02:17:08,640 --> 02:17:05,820 QWOP the cooperating that that's about 2973 02:17:11,129 --> 02:17:08,650 what he sent to this person and what he 2974 02:17:13,440 --> 02:17:11,139 using it back from and the bill said yes 2975 02:17:15,799 --> 02:17:13,450 and and that's how build became involved 2976 02:17:16,980 --> 02:17:15,809 in a counter espionage operation 2977 02:17:19,560 --> 02:17:16,990 interesting 2978 02:17:22,440 --> 02:17:19,570 well this Falcon it was also mentioned 2979 02:17:24,600 --> 02:17:22,450 in the Benowitz case as well though 2980 02:17:26,910 --> 02:17:24,610 so I mean Emmy what connection is there 2981 02:17:29,250 --> 02:17:26,920 there now is that you're assuming that 2982 02:17:32,040 --> 02:17:29,260 these people are writing factual things 2983 02:17:33,839 --> 02:17:32,050 about alchemy it was mentioned in the 2984 02:17:36,209 --> 02:17:33,849 benefit you got to go back to the person 2985 02:17:37,620 --> 02:17:36,219 who wrote this and consider what kind of 2986 02:17:40,650 --> 02:17:37,630 information they got which was 2987 02:17:42,390 --> 02:17:40,660 absolutely baloney the bag Richard Helms 2988 02:17:44,100 --> 02:17:42,400 was never involved in bennewitz case I 2989 02:17:46,350 --> 02:17:44,110 can guarantee you that there's also 2990 02:17:48,270 --> 02:17:46,360 someone else suggested to Ben Falcon and 2991 02:17:50,850 --> 02:17:48,280 by the name of Harry Rose it's key do 2992 02:17:54,750 --> 02:17:50,860 you know anything about that I knew of 2993 02:17:57,120 --> 02:17:54,760 him I met him one time but but he wasn't 2994 02:17:59,700 --> 02:17:57,130 the Falcon that led that I knew of 2995 02:18:01,740 --> 02:17:59,710 and Bill Moore knew it there could have 2996 02:18:11,070 --> 02:18:01,750 been two people different people with 2997 02:18:13,680 --> 02:18:11,080 the same code name so to speak well I 2998 02:18:17,299 --> 02:18:13,690 know I know the real Falcon and I know 2999 02:18:21,240 --> 02:18:17,309 Harry and and he he knew a lot about 3000 02:18:25,860 --> 02:18:21,250 what the CIA knew about Ana dia knew 3001 02:18:28,230 --> 02:18:25,870 about UFOs but he was never in the 3002 02:18:30,600 --> 02:18:28,240 circle and I kept we've got another 3003 02:18:32,700 --> 02:18:30,610 question here from our foreign people 3004 02:18:35,010 --> 02:18:32,710 what's your take on the to the stars 3005 02:18:36,570 --> 02:18:35,020 Academy adventure with DeLong and the 3006 02:18:39,540 --> 02:18:36,580 role of Elizondo and Mellon who were 3007 02:18:43,580 --> 02:18:39,550 once part of the DoD any insight there 3008 02:18:45,720 --> 02:18:43,590 that you might any just intuition or 3009 02:18:47,160 --> 02:18:45,730 what do you think of that whole thing I 3010 02:18:50,280 --> 02:18:47,170 mean they're into the entertainment 3011 02:18:53,580 --> 02:18:50,290 thing maybe they'd be interested in some 3012 02:18:55,530 --> 02:18:53,590 of the stories you've got to tell I've 3013 02:19:01,020 --> 02:18:55,540 had contact with them I don't 3014 02:19:07,680 --> 02:19:01,030 necessarily agree with their with their 3015 02:19:09,580 --> 02:19:07,690 a plan and I think that they're not 3016 02:19:12,669 --> 02:19:09,590 telling that the truth 3017 02:19:14,650 --> 02:19:12,679 is intimately involved in investigation 3018 02:19:19,750 --> 02:19:14,660 report would still have been there 3019 02:19:22,179 --> 02:19:19,760 releasing a fragment of information 3020 02:19:28,299 --> 02:19:22,189 about a program that the Air Force had 3021 02:19:30,040 --> 02:19:28,309 for a few years which really is just the 3022 02:19:33,370 --> 02:19:30,050 tip of the iceberg of what they're still 3023 02:19:36,520 --> 02:19:33,380 doing so if they don't want to come 3024 02:19:38,349 --> 02:19:36,530 forth and break and release everything I 3025 02:19:39,940 --> 02:19:38,359 think they're doing it piecemeal in 3026 02:19:42,099 --> 02:19:39,950 order to get people to invest into 3027 02:19:44,139 --> 02:19:42,109 something rather than just coming out 3028 02:19:45,940 --> 02:19:44,149 and saying hey you know this is what we 3029 02:19:49,510 --> 02:19:45,950 did this is what we're doing this is 3030 02:19:53,050 --> 02:19:49,520 what DoD is doing and they're not doing 3031 02:19:55,090 --> 02:19:53,060 that yeah that's what it seems like 3032 02:19:56,679 --> 02:19:55,100 that's for sure although some people 3033 02:19:59,260 --> 02:19:56,689 might say well they have to do it 3034 02:20:04,030 --> 02:19:59,270 piecemeal because that's how they're 3035 02:20:05,830 --> 02:20:04,040 getting it from their sources so you 3036 02:20:08,080 --> 02:20:05,840 know I mean the quality of the the 3037 02:20:13,060 --> 02:20:08,090 actual visual data that's being released 3038 02:20:15,219 --> 02:20:13,070 is seventies you know IRRI quality this 3039 02:20:16,750 --> 02:20:15,229 is all being in correct me if I'm wrong 3040 02:20:20,670 --> 02:20:16,760 with but this is all being carefully 3041 02:20:23,440 --> 02:20:20,680 orchestrated with the full cooperation 3042 02:20:26,849 --> 02:20:23,450 behind the scenes of the department 3043 02:20:29,139 --> 02:20:26,859 defense or dia or somebody is is 3044 02:20:30,880 --> 02:20:29,149 manipulating this whole thing from 3045 02:20:37,110 --> 02:20:30,890 behind the scenes would you agree with 3046 02:20:41,110 --> 02:20:37,120 that absolutely yeah in fact one of the 3047 02:20:42,429 --> 02:20:41,120 interviews I can't remember which one it 3048 02:20:45,010 --> 02:20:42,439 was the interview but anyways he 3049 02:20:47,980 --> 02:20:45,020 mentioned something about well the 3050 02:20:49,560 --> 02:20:47,990 public information officer said why 3051 02:20:51,460 --> 02:20:49,570 would he mention that 3052 02:20:57,010 --> 02:20:51,470 how would he mention the public 3053 02:20:59,500 --> 02:20:57,020 information yeah yeah one of the pilots 3054 02:21:01,150 --> 02:20:59,510 they interviewed said something about so 3055 02:21:04,000 --> 02:21:01,160 did they have to clear it through there 3056 02:21:07,300 --> 02:21:04,010 oh yeah that just kind of threw it off 3057 02:21:09,969 --> 02:21:07,310 for me well I mean their statements 3058 02:21:13,780 --> 02:21:09,979 seemed to have been memorizing and I 3059 02:21:15,910 --> 02:21:13,790 think scripted I mean I saw I didn't 3060 02:21:18,090 --> 02:21:15,920 even see all of them but every one that 3061 02:21:19,889 --> 02:21:18,100 I saw I mean we get the exact same 3062 02:21:22,740 --> 02:21:19,899 languaging 3063 02:21:25,050 --> 02:21:22,750 the same inflection even on certain 3064 02:21:25,860 --> 02:21:25,060 parts of the responses to questions and 3065 02:21:28,320 --> 02:21:25,870 that sort of thing 3066 02:21:32,070 --> 02:21:28,330 this seems highly orchestrated to me and 3067 02:21:35,580 --> 02:21:32,080 as someone that is had you know an 3068 02:21:38,730 --> 02:21:35,590 expertise in disinformation and in these 3069 02:21:43,020 --> 02:21:38,740 types of programs so what he should take 3070 02:21:44,670 --> 02:21:43,030 who is behind truly behind you know 3071 02:21:46,679 --> 02:21:44,680 who's the puppet master behind this 3072 02:21:50,790 --> 02:21:46,689 particular scenario and do you think 3073 02:21:51,929 --> 02:21:50,800 that it is he'll put off and and chris 3074 02:21:54,510 --> 02:21:51,939 mellon and these people do you think 3075 02:21:55,760 --> 02:21:54,520 that they've been put up for this do you 3076 02:21:59,030 --> 02:21:55,770 think the time too long is just 3077 02:22:01,469 --> 02:21:59,040 convenient figurehead sort of 3078 02:22:03,900 --> 02:22:01,479 wet-behind-the-ears kid that's have been 3079 02:22:05,849 --> 02:22:03,910 selected to be the front person for this 3080 02:22:08,429 --> 02:22:05,859 I mean what's your take on it let's get 3081 02:22:17,280 --> 02:22:08,439 a little sort of an Intel the insider 3082 02:22:19,500 --> 02:22:17,290 view on this you know I it's it's hard 3083 02:22:23,370 --> 02:22:19,510 to say yeah I think the government is 3084 02:22:25,650 --> 02:22:23,380 the government wants us out but they 3085 02:22:28,410 --> 02:22:25,660 don't know how to do it it's a it's a 3086 02:22:30,719 --> 02:22:28,420 fiasco to sort of speak if they would if 3087 02:22:32,550 --> 02:22:30,729 you if you think back to the 50s when 3088 02:22:34,770 --> 02:22:32,560 the Air Force the government knew all 3089 02:22:37,500 --> 02:22:34,780 knew exactly what they did and want what 3090 02:22:39,480 --> 02:22:37,510 they had if they would have just came 3091 02:22:44,670 --> 02:22:39,490 out then we wouldn't be in a situation 3092 02:22:47,700 --> 02:22:44,680 today so you know I I think it's the 3093 02:22:49,740 --> 02:22:47,710 calamity of errors and and I think I 3094 02:22:51,420 --> 02:22:49,750 don't think there's any one person I 3095 02:22:53,490 --> 02:22:51,430 think there's maybe a group of people 3096 02:22:56,880 --> 02:22:53,500 that's trying to get it out but they 3097 02:23:00,750 --> 02:22:56,890 really don't know how to and that's my 3098 02:23:04,110 --> 02:23:00,760 taken now that there was a an aside to 3099 02:23:05,730 --> 02:23:04,120 the Benowitz case like when it's often 3100 02:23:07,500 --> 02:23:05,740 said that we you know there was a bunch 3101 02:23:09,389 --> 02:23:07,510 of harm done with the bennewitz case but 3102 02:23:12,660 --> 02:23:09,399 in another interview you kind of alluded 3103 02:23:14,820 --> 02:23:12,670 to some other operations where actually 3104 02:23:17,340 --> 02:23:14,830 you know Benowitz was pretty mild and 3105 02:23:19,830 --> 02:23:17,350 there was other cases where that were 3106 02:23:22,770 --> 02:23:19,840 far more serious but you weren't able to 3107 02:23:23,969 --> 02:23:22,780 tell us much about those do you think 3108 02:23:26,599 --> 02:23:23,979 you could elaborate a little bit on 3109 02:23:30,810 --> 02:23:26,609 other cases you might know about where 3110 02:23:33,269 --> 02:23:30,820 things that were more serious happen in 3111 02:23:35,789 --> 02:23:33,279 relation to investigating and 3112 02:23:38,819 --> 02:23:35,799 identifying objects well the one in the 3113 02:23:42,329 --> 02:23:38,829 Utah there was an incident happened in 3114 02:23:47,579 --> 02:23:42,339 Utah in the forties and I don't remember 3115 02:23:49,920 --> 02:23:47,589 the year early 80s maybe anyways OSI in 3116 02:23:53,359 --> 02:23:49,930 Hill Air Force Base had received a 3117 02:23:55,590 --> 02:23:53,369 letter from a man who lived outside 3118 02:23:58,319 --> 02:23:55,600 Dugway proving grounds in a trailer 3119 02:24:00,449 --> 02:23:58,329 we're coming up on the final segment of 3120 02:24:03,029 --> 02:24:00,459 the power cast this week with Rick Doty 3121 02:24:05,130 --> 02:24:03,039 there's a lot to talk about and as you 3122 02:24:08,429 --> 02:24:05,140 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02:28:53,340 --> 02:28:51,200 disclosure and you are listening to the 3235 02:28:59,550 --> 02:28:53,350 para cast the gold standard of 3236 02:29:05,139 --> 02:29:02,309 [Music] 3237 02:29:07,500 --> 02:29:05,149 final segment with Rick Doty let's 3238 02:29:11,110 --> 02:29:07,510 finish this story and go on Rick okay 3239 02:29:13,330 --> 02:29:11,120 so I in Hitler force base received 3240 02:29:15,519 --> 02:29:13,340 letter from a man who identified himself 3241 02:29:18,519 --> 02:29:15,529 as a retired photographer from Dugway 3242 02:29:21,160 --> 02:29:18,529 proving grounds he lived at a trailer 3243 02:29:23,170 --> 02:29:21,170 some distance from Dugway and he claimed 3244 02:29:25,059 --> 02:29:23,180 to have contact with extraterrestrials 3245 02:29:25,809 --> 02:29:25,069 and took pictures of them and so forth 3246 02:29:28,960 --> 02:29:25,819 and so on 3247 02:29:31,149 --> 02:29:28,970 so the OSI up there contacted me I went 3248 02:29:33,370 --> 02:29:31,159 up there we went out to talk to the man 3249 02:29:36,250 --> 02:29:33,380 the man was dying in cancer he had been 3250 02:29:40,750 --> 02:29:36,260 a civilian photographer Dugway proving 3251 02:29:43,330 --> 02:29:40,760 grounds for 25 or some years and he's 3252 02:29:44,740 --> 02:29:43,340 retired and been retired for number of 3253 02:29:47,649 --> 02:29:44,750 years but he was a professional 3254 02:29:50,439 --> 02:29:47,659 photographer did great photography he 3255 02:29:52,269 --> 02:29:50,449 claimed that a liam's within spacecrafts 3256 02:29:54,820 --> 02:29:52,279 with land behind his residence in middle 3257 02:29:57,639 --> 02:29:54,830 of desert behind his trailer and he took 3258 02:29:59,950 --> 02:29:57,649 all these pictures he made contact with 3259 02:30:02,320 --> 02:29:59,960 him he became friends with him so we 3260 02:30:05,469 --> 02:30:02,330 looked at all photographs and lo and 3261 02:30:07,090 --> 02:30:05,479 behold I he could have made this up he 3262 02:30:10,000 --> 02:30:07,100 couldn't a photoshopped it because it is 3263 02:30:12,010 --> 02:30:10,010 important but everything he showed us 3264 02:30:17,649 --> 02:30:12,020 was look to be legitimate what's the 3265 02:30:21,639 --> 02:30:17,659 time frame on this in 80 81 82 83 some 3266 02:30:23,740 --> 02:30:21,649 some time in that time frame so we we 3267 02:30:26,200 --> 02:30:23,750 got very interested in but but I only 3268 02:30:29,439 --> 02:30:26,210 visited him twice and then they turned 3269 02:30:32,290 --> 02:30:29,449 that over to another team of US agents 3270 02:30:34,330 --> 02:30:32,300 who came in from headquarters and so I'm 3271 02:30:36,280 --> 02:30:34,340 not really sure what all developed after 3272 02:30:39,340 --> 02:30:36,290 that but he had some sensational 3273 02:30:41,500 --> 02:30:39,350 photographs of you of extraterrestrials 3274 02:30:44,649 --> 02:30:41,510 these creatures were kind of hideous 3275 02:30:49,179 --> 02:30:44,659 looking and the craft he had pictures 3276 02:30:52,389 --> 02:30:49,189 taken inside the craft he had they've 3277 02:30:56,820 --> 02:30:52,399 given him some gifts and he had these 3278 02:30:59,830 --> 02:30:56,830 gifts and and he was going to die he had 3279 02:31:02,939 --> 02:30:59,840 terminal lung cancer he spoke even even 3280 02:31:06,519 --> 02:31:02,949 when we were there was smoking 3281 02:31:09,340 --> 02:31:06,529 continuously but he gave us everything 3282 02:31:10,380 --> 02:31:09,350 including these gifts and then they all 3283 02:31:13,050 --> 02:31:10,390 went to 3284 02:31:15,240 --> 02:31:13,060 headquarters somewhere and there they're 3285 02:31:17,760 --> 02:31:15,250 stuck there now probably four or five or 3286 02:31:20,940 --> 02:31:17,770 six months I guess after I had laughed 3287 02:31:23,700 --> 02:31:20,950 and he died could you describe what the 3288 02:31:28,349 --> 02:31:23,710 beans look like they were tall they were 3289 02:31:33,570 --> 02:31:28,359 probably six foot tall they had long 3290 02:31:35,520 --> 02:31:33,580 arms in thin bodies they had a suits 3291 02:31:38,210 --> 02:31:35,530 they had suits on and they had that 3292 02:31:40,770 --> 02:31:38,220 according to him occasionally breathed 3293 02:31:42,510 --> 02:31:40,780 it had some kind of a respirator or 3294 02:31:45,420 --> 02:31:42,520 something and they would have 3295 02:31:47,250 --> 02:31:45,430 occasionally breathed something a gas or 3296 02:31:51,599 --> 02:31:47,260 more actually than or something 3297 02:31:54,300 --> 02:31:51,609 they had a face similar to probably the 3298 02:31:54,870 --> 02:31:54,310 most hideous alien you could pick up on 3299 02:31:59,250 --> 02:31:54,880 the Internet 3300 02:32:04,020 --> 02:31:59,260 he probably I tell you what if you have 3301 02:32:07,349 --> 02:32:04,030 a copy of UFO aliens magazine think it's 3302 02:32:10,320 --> 02:32:07,359 the ultimate guide there's a picture 3303 02:32:12,179 --> 02:32:10,330 inside of an extraterrestrial man and 3304 02:32:13,980 --> 02:32:12,189 that's kind of what do you it looked 3305 02:32:15,630 --> 02:32:13,990 like it was kind of hideous looking it 3306 02:32:17,969 --> 02:32:15,640 would it would it would be very scary 3307 02:32:21,090 --> 02:32:17,979 for somebody I mean it probably would be 3308 02:32:23,550 --> 02:32:21,100 very intimidating to somebody had never 3309 02:32:26,010 --> 02:32:23,560 seen one to sit in front of him to talk 3310 02:32:28,710 --> 02:32:26,020 to one but apparently according to him 3311 02:32:30,870 --> 02:32:28,720 they spoke English communicated in 3312 02:32:33,170 --> 02:32:30,880 English like goats wrong with that 3313 02:32:39,809 --> 02:32:37,020 interesting exactly what about the gifts 3314 02:32:42,660 --> 02:32:39,819 what sort of artifacts were they there 3315 02:32:45,450 --> 02:32:42,670 one gift was a look like a picture frame 3316 02:32:48,559 --> 02:32:45,460 and when you stared into it you could 3317 02:32:51,450 --> 02:32:48,569 see movement and there was of their 3318 02:32:53,670 --> 02:32:51,460 solar system or their planet it was a 3319 02:32:56,070 --> 02:32:53,680 picture but but it was a I don't know 3320 02:32:57,929 --> 02:32:56,080 kind of picture you could even how you 3321 02:33:04,910 --> 02:32:57,939 could explain it like an iPad or 3322 02:33:08,219 --> 02:33:04,920 something an iPad with just one picture 3323 02:33:10,320 --> 02:33:08,229 of their planet the solar system I think 3324 02:33:13,410 --> 02:33:10,330 was solar system and planet and then 3325 02:33:15,900 --> 02:33:13,420 they gave him a bracelet and the 3326 02:33:17,880 --> 02:33:15,910 bracelet well I didn't put it on but 3327 02:33:21,510 --> 02:33:17,890 when he said you put put the bracelet on 3328 02:33:22,780 --> 02:33:21,520 it gave him visions of the universe Wow 3329 02:33:24,309 --> 02:33:22,790 okay 3330 02:33:26,440 --> 02:33:24,319 well this turned out to be a very 3331 02:33:28,080 --> 02:33:26,450 interesting episode we're so glad did 3332 02:33:30,700 --> 02:33:28,090 today 3333 02:33:34,389 --> 02:33:30,710 yeah and for the record have we been 3334 02:33:36,910 --> 02:33:34,399 okay we have we been polite have we sort 3335 02:33:40,240 --> 02:33:36,920 of rattled your cage or I mean having 3336 02:33:42,190 --> 02:33:40,250 felt comfortable did we do okay we've 3337 02:33:44,260 --> 02:33:42,200 had a couple of shows where people said 3338 02:33:46,599 --> 02:33:44,270 we've been badgering are our guests I 3339 02:33:48,340 --> 02:33:46,609 hope that we didn't come across that way 3340 02:33:51,099 --> 02:33:48,350 I know you had some reservations about 3341 02:33:54,010 --> 02:33:51,109 coming on the show and doing radio in 3342 02:33:56,530 --> 02:33:54,020 particular would you be willing to come 3343 02:33:57,910 --> 02:33:56,540 back and take up a part too because I'll 3344 02:34:00,099 --> 02:33:57,920 tell you right this is fascinating stuff 3345 02:34:02,469 --> 02:34:00,109 and and I'm sure our listeners would 3346 02:34:05,139 --> 02:34:02,479 love to hear that you're coming back on 3347 02:34:07,570 --> 02:34:05,149 the show and and discussing some more of 3348 02:34:10,750 --> 02:34:07,580 these uh fascinating revelations that 3349 02:34:13,570 --> 02:34:10,760 you've been sharing with us yeah I could 3350 02:34:16,290 --> 02:34:13,580 I would I would come back on provided 3351 02:34:19,240 --> 02:34:16,300 that my schedule permitted I'm 3352 02:34:22,179 --> 02:34:19,250 contracted with a film company we're 3353 02:34:24,599 --> 02:34:22,189 making a film out in Nevada and I'm I've 3354 02:34:28,330 --> 02:34:24,609 been out there on and off for the last 3355 02:34:31,599 --> 02:34:28,340 six seven weeks so and we probably have 3356 02:34:33,190 --> 02:34:31,609 another six or seven weeks left film 3357 02:34:35,559 --> 02:34:33,200 shoot out there this week is there not 3358 02:34:36,700 --> 02:34:35,569 filming okay we'll work it out for you 3359 02:34:39,130 --> 02:34:36,710 will definitely work it out because we 3360 02:34:40,420 --> 02:34:39,140 do want to get you back like we wanted 3361 02:34:42,880 --> 02:34:40,430 to talk a little bit more about your 3362 02:34:45,990 --> 02:34:42,890 interactions with Linda Moulton Howe but 3363 02:34:48,630 --> 02:34:46,000 we only have two minutes left 3364 02:34:53,200 --> 02:34:48,640 that would take that would take hours 3365 02:34:59,380 --> 02:34:53,210 okay I'd like to hear some more about 3366 02:35:01,150 --> 02:34:59,390 this movie you're doing - yeah yeah well 3367 02:35:03,820 --> 02:35:01,160 obviously you know that I can't discuss 3368 02:35:08,830 --> 02:35:03,830 anything until you know it comes out 3369 02:35:12,460 --> 02:35:08,840 it's a no teaser so well it's a it's 3370 02:35:16,360 --> 02:35:12,470 about area 51 and ton about this range 3371 02:35:21,130 --> 02:35:16,370 and and some secrets that have been 3372 02:35:28,090 --> 02:35:21,140 leaked out and we actually were able to 3373 02:35:32,110 --> 02:35:28,100 get in at some two locations with some 3374 02:35:35,349 --> 02:35:32,120 very unique permission and highly 3375 02:35:35,910 --> 02:35:35,359 monitored by the security people but but 3376 02:35:37,260 --> 02:35:35,920 it's going to 3377 02:35:43,469 --> 02:35:37,270 what's your role what's your role in the 3378 02:35:49,170 --> 02:35:43,479 project how are you designating I am an 3379 02:35:53,340 --> 02:35:49,180 advisor I actually sat in the original 3380 02:35:56,910 --> 02:35:53,350 idea and to a company a guy used to work 3381 02:36:01,439 --> 02:35:56,920 for the History Channel and then they 3382 02:36:03,780 --> 02:36:01,449 hired me so that's how I got involved so 3383 02:36:05,280 --> 02:36:03,790 then you're basically aside from this 3384 02:36:07,290 --> 02:36:05,290 essentially retired right 3385 02:36:09,899 --> 02:36:07,300 I'm retired yeah I'm probably be tired 3386 02:36:12,420 --> 02:36:09,909 yeah I do this and I do some consulting 3387 02:36:14,399 --> 02:36:12,430 and other things well so thank you so 3388 02:36:16,649 --> 02:36:14,409 much for agreeing to be on the show it's 3389 02:36:17,849 --> 02:36:16,659 been fascinating I'm sure this is going 3390 02:36:20,460 --> 02:36:17,859 to be one of the more popular episodes 3391 02:36:22,380 --> 02:36:20,470 in the you know ten eleven year history 3392 02:36:25,170 --> 02:36:22,390 of the of the program and I mean that 3393 02:36:27,030 --> 02:36:25,180 it's been a real pleasure to to have you 3394 02:36:28,590 --> 02:36:27,040 on and you know we really look forward 3395 02:36:31,019 --> 02:36:28,600 to getting you back because like you 3396 02:36:32,910 --> 02:36:31,029 said this has been merely an 3397 02:36:35,729 --> 02:36:32,920 introduction to a very fascinating 3398 02:36:37,469 --> 02:36:35,739 career and and insights into some of the 3399 02:36:39,990 --> 02:36:37,479 most important mysteries that we have 3400 02:36:42,840 --> 02:36:40,000 remaining as a culture so we really 3401 02:36:44,700 --> 02:36:42,850 thank you and appreciate your your your 3402 02:36:47,099 --> 02:36:44,710 coming on and look forward to continuing 3403 02:36:48,660 --> 02:36:47,109 the conversation okay absolutely thank 3404 02:36:52,860 --> 02:36:48,670 you very much obviously you don't have a 3405 02:36:55,260 --> 02:36:52,870 website yet no I did it was crashed and 3406 02:36:57,719 --> 02:36:55,270 hacked and but no I don't have a website 3407 02:36:59,370 --> 02:36:57,729 I have an email address and I I get 3408 02:37:02,160 --> 02:36:59,380 hundreds and hundreds of emails I'm sure 3409 02:37:04,290 --> 02:37:02,170 I'm gonna get thousands now from people 3410 02:37:08,040 --> 02:37:04,300 I have a lot of fans but I have a heck 3411 02:37:11,189 --> 02:37:08,050 of a fan base but a lot of you can find 3412 02:37:13,710 --> 02:37:11,199 us by the way our address on Twitter is 3413 02:37:15,769 --> 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lots of other really good stuff and 3441 02:38:21,130 --> 02:38:18,680 by the way in future episodes were 3442 02:38:23,290 --> 02:38:21,140 working on something where we might talk 3443 02:38:26,290 --> 02:38:23,300 with Paul Kimball and Stanton Friedman 3444 02:38:27,430 --> 02:38:26,300 who's retiring from UFO research that's 3445 02:38:29,320 --> 02:38:27,440 going to be interesting in the future 3446 02:38:32,110 --> 02:38:29,330 and then what a special thank you to 3447 02:38:34,960 --> 02:38:32,120 Randall J Randall Murphy for working 3448 02:38:37,330 --> 02:38:34,970 with me and Chris on this show Rick Doty 3449 02:38:41,230 --> 02:38:37,340 thank you so much for joining us on the 3450 02:38:56,870 --> 02:38:50,860 [Music] 3451 02:38:59,780 --> 02:38:56,880 the para cast featuring gene Steinberg 3452 02:39:02,769 --> 02:38:59,790 and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted 3453 02:39:06,500 --> 02:39:02,779 presentation of making the impossible